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I had a boat done with a soft hand 1 or 1.5mm cord instead of 3mm paracord. It took someone a long time, but was really comfortable and held up for at least a decade.  I’ve sailed with Paracorded wheels and this one was much more comfortable  

This photo is of a stove gimbal that I made, but you can see the wheel too:

You can buy a very sturdy stove gimbal for a jet boil out of England for not a lot of $.  Well made and all-axis gimbal.

www.safire.uk.com

 

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There's no need to cover a carbon wheel.  They are warm to the touch, aren't particularly slippery and the whole point is light weight.  I've got two wheels just like that one and live in a cold. damp climate.  Never even thought about a rim cover. 

Wheel cover - absolutely.
I’ve been on boats with all sorts of carbon wheels.  Clear coat, glossy AwlGrip, matte AwlGrip, spiral peel ply finish, non-skid stripes, and many others.  The grip does help a lot when the conditions are WET!  It doesn’t matter what kind of finish is on the wheel, it get’s slippery!  Most of the boats that I do the grips on race on the offshore races in SoCal.  They’re commonly doing Mexico and Hawaii races, where it’s commonly wet and cold at night.  As for the weight, the foam is mostly air.  The red covers maybe added a pound between the two, not a factor!  

 

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I’ve been on boats with all sorts of carbon wheels.  Clear coat, glossy AwlGrip, matte AwlGrip, spiral peel ply finish, non-skid stripes, and many others.  The grip does help a lot when the conditions are WET!  It doesn’t matter what kind of finish is on the wheel, it get’s slippery!  Most of the boats that I do the grips on race on the offshore races in SoCal.  They’re commonly doing Mexico and Hawaii races, where it’s commonly wet and cold at night.  As for the weight, the foam is mostly air.  The red covers maybe added a pound between the two, not a factor!  
I wonder if soft touch paint would do the trick for that.  It's the stuff you find on higher end computer mice, has sort of a rubbery feel and relatively durable.  This stuff says it's got UV resistance.

 
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Mulligan

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$380 a Quart, $80 for Hardener, $80 for Thinner!  How much more to prep and spray?  Mine aren’t cheap, but it’s a proven system.
 

One company that I’ve seen does a Plasti-Dip type coating, but I’ve never seen it in real life.  But it seems like it has a glossy finish. The windsurfer boom grip has suede feel of finish.  I’ve had the boom grip wheels last almost 10 years without a cover on them. 

 
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I’ve been on boats with all sorts of carbon wheels.  Clear coat, glossy AwlGrip, matte AwlGrip, spiral peel ply finish, non-skid stripes, and many others.  The grip does help a lot when the conditions are WET!  It doesn’t matter what kind of finish is on the wheel, it get’s slippery!  Most of the boats that I do the grips on race on the offshore races in SoCal.  They’re commonly doing Mexico and Hawaii races, where it’s commonly wet and cold at night.  As for the weight, the foam is mostly air.  The red covers maybe added a pound between the two, not a factor!  
It is not cold at night on a Mexico or Hawaii race.  Nor is it particularly wet.  I've worn the required single layer of poly and goretex jacket.  

Come a bit further north and we can show you cold at night if you bring enough fleece.  And we can show you wet.  Very wet.  The bare carbon wheels are just fine.

Good point about the weight of the foam, but a red pound or two on the rim of the wheel?  I'd rather not have it.

 

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Suum cuique pulchrum est; To each their own.  I just give my customers what they want.  I’ve done wheels for some of the top sleds, that have had some of the top helmsmen (and women), and I’ve never had a complaint.  Jason Carrington was very proud of super lightweight wheels that he made for the Volvo 60, until w wave washed another crewmember into the wheel, breaking it.  They had to tack the remaining wheel for the rest of the leg.  After that, he went back to aluminum wheels, as they could be bent back into shape.  

 

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Suum cuique pulchrum est; To each their own.  I just give my customers what they want.  I’ve done wheels for some of the top sleds, that have had some of the top helmsmen (and women), and I’ve never had a complaint.  Jason Carrington was very proud of super lightweight wheels that he made for the Volvo 60, until w wave washed another crewmember into the wheel, breaking it.  They had to tack the remaining wheel for the rest of the leg.  After that, he went back to aluminum wheels, as they could be bent back into shape.  
So what is your source for the EVA foam?

 

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$380 a Quart, $80 for Hardener, $80 for Thinner!  How much more to prep and spray?  Mine aren’t cheap, but it’s a proven system.
 

One company that I’ve seen does a Plasti-Dip type coating, but I’ve never seen it in real life.  But it seems like it has a glossy finish. The windsurfer boom grip has suede feel of finish.  I’ve had the boom grip wheels last almost 10 years without a cover on them. 
Plastidip is an interesting idea.  I use it for my mast boot and it has worked extremely well.  When I had my mast pulled a couple months ago to get shrouds replaced, the guys at the yard wanted to know who did the mast boot, how it was done, etc.  I might consider that for my wheel after the eva foam I have on there now gets beat in a few years.

 

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yeah, Mulligan, where do you get this stuff?  how much do you charge to cover a wheel?  I am east coast so shipping could be a problem.  
I can’t give up my source at this time.  I’m having a hard time getting it, myself.  I’m charging about $500 a wheel for the smaller wheels, up to over $1000 for the big wheels.  There’s  fair amount of prep work to be done, then applying it, treating the seam, and trimming out the spokes.  Along with running around for all the supplies.  It takes me a full day to do the small wheels. 
 

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Usually they just little chunks taken out by wear and tear and nervous helmspersons with sharp fingernails.  One of Pyewacket’s wheels was taken out by Grand Illusion a few years ago.  I had just redone them.  the red grips have a nice cover going over them!  
 

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Usually they just little chunks taken out by wear and tear and nervous helmspersons with sharp fingernails.  One of Pyewacket’s wheels was taken out by Grand Illusion a few years ago.  I had just redone them.  the red grips have a nice cover going over them!  
 

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The wheel I saw in the workshop for re skinning had physical damage …rope burn 

 
I just finished up the red grips.  The material is a little less dense than the windsurfer boom grip.  I warned the boat nanny that I wasn’t as confident in the material as I was in the boom grip, but the owner was adamant about wanting red.  We’ll see how it holds up, but I wouldn’t recommend it to others!  

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Nice job. Yup - that RED will be Pink after about 2 months of use even with a cover.

 

Mulligan

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Nice job. Yup - that RED will be Pink after about 2 months of use even with a cover.
Bolt!  I tried to talk him out of it, but Sam said the owner wanted it!  A light sanding with 150 brings back the original surface color and texture!  It’s already pink!  

 
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I redid the grip on a few windsurfing booms back in the day and it wasn't to hard and they held up pretty well.  I would think that the wear and tear on windsurfing booms would be significantly worse than on a wheel.  There are quite a few videos on how to do a windsurfing boom.

 

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I redid the grip on a few windsurfing booms back in the day and it wasn't to hard and they held up pretty well.  I would think that the wear and tear on windsurfing booms would be significantly worse than on a wheel.  There are quite a few videos on how to do a windsurfing boom.
Agreed.  I did a wheel back in 1990 and it lasted about 7 years.  But back then I could go to my local board shop and get the boom grip from a huge selection.  Now I can't find the stuff anymore in lengths and colors and density I want.  I did my wheel 2 years ago with some eva foam I had to scrape online to find in a color I didn't want, that is not as dense as the boom grip I used to get, and took about a month to ship.  

 
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