When good designers produce ugly boats.

[SloopJonB]

I attended a talk by the Pardey's many years ago. After the talk, a friend of mine started to tell Larry about his plans for his second Atlantic circuit on his Pearson 365. Larry cut him off and questioned whether a Pearson 365 was suitable for such a trip. I will always regret that I didn't blurt out what I was thinking: "Yeah, right! An antique engineless, biodegradable 30-footer is the only type of boat suitable for crossing the Atlantic."

FIFY

 

[southerncross]

Throwing out Per Brohäll designs for discussion.

https://sailboatdata.com/designer/brohall-per

Albin Vega 27.  Although I never found the boat a stunner, a capable  boat with quite a reputation and history.

 

[Minnesail]

I have no idea, but I like Dominos, and so do all those other people who buy their pizza.

Ketchup on doughy white bread.

 

[Steam Flyer]

[edit] ... Moved to other thread, sorry

FB- Doug

 

[woahboy]

Love is a strange word. At least you got to throw all your shade in that little book. I’m sure Bob would love to hang out in a bar and drink with you. Me. Won’t find me there. 

You would like me if you didn’t need an enemy here to play with. 

Hater gonna hate. It’s all you can do.

Now back to scraping and painting those boat bottoms, you captain of industry.

Meanwhile, I’ll keep on enjoying some of Columbia’s second finest export and look for more ugly VdS’s. I never would have known how good they were at designing AND producing ugly boats without your help. When I am done I am going after the old Seafarer line out of Huntington, NY. They took a beautiful boat line and replaced it with something more up your alley.

Bob, look at that fine body of work. If you squint really hard, your eyes will close completely and they will look better.

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Are those BS boats, Beer? (I'd like to have a beer with you)

 

[woahboy]

Gaff on, man. They do indeed look cool.

I bet Mr. Bull could do a great rendition of this one.

 

[Jaramaz]

Throwing out Per Brohäll designs for discussion.

https://sailboatdata.com/designer/brohall-per

Albin Vega 27.  Although I never found the boat a stunner, a capable  boat with quite a reputation and history.

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Aaahh, a Swedish designer. I must react ...

Sorry to say I do not think the Vega should be here because Per Brohäll hardly ever produced any beauty. His most productive time was pre-GRP and early GRP days. The pre-GRP was mainly plywood creations - easy to build, but ... difficult to do a beautiful design. Then the Vega was very practical, had a good price and was a real step up from the Folkboat - which many did. Not a beauty and not ugly either. 

//J

 

[alphafb552]

I fail to see the problem with that.

+1!

(from another folkboat owner)

 

[woahboy]

My gaff schooner JAKATAN raced in SF inn the schooner races. He cleaned up to the point the group asked him not to participate. Seems they were only interested in older gaff boats. Shame but I understand.

Mr. Perry. With all this talk of boats being designed properly do NA's, such as yourself, ever build scale models and tank test them? And yes, I am happy that you're here to fill us in on your goings on, projects, etc... I don't know why folks need to get so bent out shape. Too much wasted energy if you ask me. 

 

[Sail4beer]

I bet Mr. Bull could do a great rendition of this one.

He’s probably already on it.!

We’ll have to run into each other and have a cold one or two eventually 

 

[captain_crunch]

Throwing out Per Brohäll designs for discussion.

https://sailboatdata.com/designer/brohall-per

Albin Vega 27.  Although I never found the boat a stunner, a capable  boat with quite a reputation and history.

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Maybe the Vega isn't pretty, but she does have a purposeful look that I like. 

 

[Bob Perry]

I agree with Cruncher. The Vega is sort of the boat equivalent  of a Jeep. It has it's own look.

 

[Bob Perry]

Whoaboy:

I have only done tank testing once and that was for my 42' double ended powerboat LION'S CONCERTO.

Tank testing is expensive. I think for 2.5 days of tank testing the cost was about $60,000. That included two 6' models. It does not include the client's time or my own time.

It was a lot of fun and very revealing. Most clients I get are not wiling to put $60,000+ into tank testing. Most of the shapes I draw are very conventional and I don't think I need any

tank work.  Don't get me wrong. I'd do it on every design if I had the budget. On the powerboat I was concerned about the double ended hull config so I suggested we tank test. We built two models at Janeki and took them to the now gone tank in Victoria BC. We were able to make small adjustments to the models and run them for two days getting immediate read outs of the performance after each run. My client loved it. I have a lot of photos of the process but none that are scanned. It's a shame they tore that tank down. Not enoug business to keep it running.

Don't let the haters bother you. They have nothing better to do and zero to contribute.

 

[jimbojones]

That's great for making pretty boats but not so great if you wish to sell them.

Speaking of things that are not so great if you wish to sell them, I don't think a Facebook group dominated by old tools and stuff is where I'd try to sell a Morgan 30-2. It actually looks like a nicely kept boat and maybe it has better angles and maybe this image will embed..

Yipes. Kathleen has some hips. Or are those cankles?

I know I am late to the party but the Morgan looks awesome in person to me. They have an air of function and power in a retro way, a boat that means business. And at a dock they look like the can crush any similar size boat made in the last 20 years and   come out without a scratch

 

[Bob Perry]

I really like the Morgans of that era. The 27 (26?) was a pretty fast boat in it's day. I like that look.

 

[Sail4beer]

Are those BS boats, Beer? (I'd like to have a beer with you)

Those sad examples are far superior to a Brent boat. Brent boats are as Smackdaddy stated when BS was among us “The Anvil of the Sea”. 

It would have been easier to buy all the raw materials you would need for a BS boat and have them delivered to the scrap yard or dump. You could have closure on the loss in much less time.

Actually, those boats remind me most of those little turtles you see coming out of the sand at dawn.

A number of dreams spawned and maybe one makes it. If it’s lucky...

 

[Hukilau]

The Morgan 30 was really where it's at.  NOT an ugly boat.  At all.

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/morgan-30

 

[jimbojones]

I really like the Morgans of that era. The 27 (26?) was a pretty fast boat in it's day. I like that look.

I was close to buying a Morgan 30-2 before I bought my Mirage 33, it felt like a sailors boat but the mirage will be much more comfortable for the family and is my first boat other than a dinghy that is younger than me, which is exciting.

 

[SloopJonB]

 It's a shame they tore that tank down. Not enough business to keep it running.

Did they try reducing the cost first? Maybe to only $15000/day

Sounds like it was a government operation.

 

[Bob Perry]

Jon:

I think the problem with the BC tank was that it had become too small. There was a much bigger tank in Easter in Canada. I'm sure in the end it was politics. The BC tank had a wave tank and a towing tank where many great projects were tested.

In the basement were racks and racks of tank test models including Bruce Kirby's 12 meter models.I''m telling you it was amazing to walk down those aisles and look at the models that had just been abandoned and ;left at the tank. Broke my heart. " Hey" I'll take 'em."