When Monsters Ruled the Beach

[sail10338]

Supercat 19 for the 2022 Everglades Challenge, time will tell if we like her more than the Big G Cat....

AndyMan

 

[madboutcats]

Nacra 5.8’s might be making a come back in America, the factory demo from Brisbane Catamaran Centre started a three month trip inside a container to Florida in December

 

[revintage]

Nacra 5.8’s might be making a come back in America, the factory demo from Brisbane Catamaran Centre started a three month trip inside a container to Florida in December

Great to hear. Wonder if it will reach Europe too? As I understand it, Nacra’s head office is in the Netherlands.

 

[madboutcats]

Great to hear. Wonder if it will reach Europe too? As I understand it, Nacra’s head office is in the Netherlands.

Nacra Europe are very different to Nacra Australia which is Brisbane Catamaran Centre, that makes Nacra 3.5, 4.3, 4.5, 5.0, 14 square including brand new model but still have old models molds, 16 square, 18 square, 5.8, still has the 36 molds and happy to make them.
Bris Cats has all the bits for old boats, very much an old style business that makes all types with no production line.
At the Australian Nacra Nationals over New Years there were three boats raced by the family that owns Bris Cats.

 

[revintage]

Bris Cats has all the bits for old boats, very much an old style business that makes all types with no production line.

Thumbs up for Bris Cats, seldom you find this type of companies around.

 

[revintage]

Nacra Europe are very different to Nacra Australia which is Brisbane Catamaran Centre, that makes Nacra 3.5, 4.3, 4.5, 5.0, 14 square including brand new model but still have old models molds, 16 square, 18 square, 5.8, still has the 36 molds and happy to make them.

What is the difference in price for a new 5.8 compared to a F18 Infusion in Australia?

 

[martin 'hoff]

In a mixed fleet long distance race last Saturday in 15-21, more modern boats (including ours) got their clocks cleaned by a Prindle 19 that had enough speed advantage that sailed way over one layline and still finished first. Lol.

 

[Andy Davison]

Great read indeed. Fun to see my rebranded (Redman) P19 #85 on the beach during 2010 or '11 Ruff Rider. What a blast to sail for so many years. The Tornado design was a natural to scale down for US legal trailerability in non tilt mode.

 

[madboutcats]

What is the difference in price for a new 5.8 compared to a F18 Infusion in Australia?

The Nacra Infusion is replaced by the Nacra Evolution which is about $50,000 Aussie, the 5.8 is probably about $26,000 Aussie in race mode. I don’t really bother with the F18 stuff, in South Aus they have all stopped doing the distance races because their boats break, I look On with disbelief that on those 180kg, 18 foot boats that if they hit a fish and the rudder kicks up, the rudders break. They just want to sail little windward return races and certainly don’t rule the beach here

 

[revintage]

The Nacra Infusion is replaced by the Nacra Evolution which is about $50,000 Aussie, the 5.8 is probably about $26,000 Aussie in race mode.

Thanks, just wanted perspective on pricetags and it is no wonder 5.8 is the one to choose.

 

[blurocketsmate]

^^^ If we could buy a 5.8 in the US for that (~$18.3k), they might have some appeal!

@Andy Davison I didn't know the P19 was a scaled down Tornado. It does look like one! In its day it was usually faster than anything its size.

 

[Andy Davison]

^^^ If we could buy a 5.8 in the US for that (~$18.3k), they might have some appeal!

@Andy Davison I didn't know the P19 was a scaled down Tornado. It does look like one! In its day it was usually faster than anything its size.

The designs are remarkably close but not an exact scaling down just very close. I have an old school Gugeon Tornado and use a dacron jib that survived the P19 wars back in the 90's, they are the same size.

 

[Tboned]

No love for the Inter 20?

I LOVED that boat with those huge bows, once we added the mid pole snuffer and self tacking jib it was a dream machine!

 

[Fat Point Jack]

No love for the Inter 20?

I LOVED that boat with those huge bows, once we added the mid pole snuffer and self tacking jib it was a dream machine!

For cruising in your backyard pond?

Or your F16 or Prindle.

I'm another Catsailor refugee and you came over for here for a sail on Pete's Stiletto.

 

[munt]

I got a ride on a newish Nacra F18 a couple days ago. Absolutely fantastic.

 

[F18 Sailor]

The Nacra Infusion is replaced by the Nacra Evolution which is about $50,000 Aussie, the 5.8 is probably about $26,000 Aussie in race mode. I don’t really bother with the F18 stuff, in South Aus they have all stopped doing the distance races because their boats break, I look On with disbelief that on those 180kg, 18 foot boats that if they hit a fish and the rudder kicks up, the rudders break. They just want to sail little windward return races and certainly don’t rule the beach here

I'm calling total B.S on the rudder breakages, and calling said sailors buoy race focused for one reason or another. The Worrell 1000, Swedish Archipelago Raid, Martinique Raid and Catacup events will all back me up that rudder breakages on F18's while sailing in open water, fish or no fish, are pretty rare events. The W1000 has a relatively high number of rudder breakages, but that is the result of not unlocking the rudders prior to hitting the sand at 20kts. Somedays you have to do it, and the modern high aspect F18 blades put a lot of force on the castings in that situation.

 

[martin 'hoff]

I'm calling total B.S on the rudder breakages, and calling said sailors buoy race focused for one reason or another. The Worrell 1000, Swedish Archipelago Raid, Martinique Raid and Catacup events will all back me up that rudder breakages on F18's while sailing in open water, fish or no fish, are pretty rare events. The W1000 has a relatively high number of rudder breakages, but that is the result of not unlocking the rudders prior to hitting the sand at 20kts. Somedays you have to do it, and the modern high aspect F18 blades put a lot of force on the castings in that situation.

+100. Worrell 1000 events put these boats through a lot. They are solid.

 

[blurocketsmate]

If anybody wants a real monster, there's a Stiletto 23 for sale locally, $7k

 

[madboutcats]

^^^ If we could buy a 5.8 in the US for that (~$18.3k), they might have some appeal!

@Andy Davison I didn't know the P19 was a scaled down Tornado. It does look like one! In its day it was usually faster than anything its size.

I'm calling total B.S on the rudder breakages, and calling said sailors buoy race focused for one reason or another. The Worrell 1000, Swedish Archipelago Raid, Martinique Raid and Catacup events will all back me up that rudder breakages on F18's while sailing in open water, fish or no fish, are pretty rare events. The W1000 has a relatively high number of rudder breakages, but that is the result of not unlocking the rudders prior to hitting the sand at 20kts. Somedays you have to do it, and the modern high aspect F18 blades put a lot of force on the castings in that situation.

I agree with you that but that is what is what the sailors are saying, fact is there have been NO F18‘s in our biggest Aus race for about 8 years now, it’s a fact that F18’s are currently a dead class for distance racing here, only way to change that fact is to have some sail it. You can call BS all you like but the facts bear me out

 

[madboutcats]

This was my wife and I competing in the Goolwa to Meningie race going through the creek called the Narrows between the lakes last November, it was downwind the whole way