Who does NOT have classified documents? Anyone?

[Sol Rosenberg]

Pence and Biden are going to run to federal court to get their documents back, aren’t they, bullshitters?

 

[badlatitude]

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Classified records pose conundrum stretching back to Carter

WASHINGTON (AP) — At least three presidents. A vice president, a secretary of state, an attorney general. The mishandling of classified documents is not a problem unique to President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump.

apnews.com

 

[ShortForBob]

At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious, non of us are in top government positions and required to take "red boxes" home to manage a very much NOT 9-5 in the office workload.
I'd be very surprised if their are not old classified docs and files mixed up in home office filing cabinets of ex elected officials all over the world.

The difference with Trump is also bleeding obvious.
He appears to have loaded up boxes of documents to intentionally browse through after he was President and no longer authorised to do so.

 

[Ishmael]

JFC, I hate Ted Cruz. So does everyone else. How does he keep getting elected?

 

[Snaggletooth]

JFC, I hate Ted Cruz. So does everyone else. How does he keep getting elected?

It is Texas........ juste sayeng.....

 

[Lark]

At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious, non of us are in top government positions and required to take "red boxes" home to manage a very much NOT 9-5 in the office workload.
I'd be very surprised if their are not old classified docs and files mixed up in home office filing cabinets of ex elected officials all over the world.

The difference with Trump is also bleeding obvious.
He appears to have loaded up boxes of documents to intentionally browse through after he was President and no longer authorised to do so.

Clearly oversights happen, even to people not attempting to destroy a republic. They happen much more often to a government whose default is to classify anything They don’t want the citizens to know, even if other world powers affected are already aware. We just gave a medal to a fighter pilot for an unsanctioned Cold War dogfight in the 1950s. For half a century Russia knew about it, but not his wife.

I’ve argued for years a democracy is as weakened by secrets as a relationship. All classified papers not relating to nukes or a weapon still in service should automatically be opened to internet searches after 20 years. Exceptions should be an active process requiring signatures of approval every couple years, making it hard for our leaders to hide their dirty laundry.

And no. The important people shouldnt be forgiven for things that would put their clerks in jail. Biden should face impeachment, Trump and Pence should face jail and automatic loss government benefits.

 

[Burning Man]

Classified Documents Found At Mike Pence's Home

An attorney for the former vice president informed the National Archives of the discovery last week.

www.huffpost.com

My dogs don't. Anyone else not have them? My cat looks suspicious, God knows what is in the back of the litterbox

Depends on what you mean by "Classified"? I think the term gets thrown around too loosely and no one really knows what they means. A doc can be "classified" as FOUO, CUI, Unclassified but not for public distribution - as well as SEKRIT, TS, TS/SCI, TS-Codeword, etc etc.

The question you and the press should really be asking is what is the
"LEVEL" of classification. That makes a Yuge difference to the conversation. Shitstain had actual SEKRIT, TS/SCI and TS Nuke shit in his shitter. I doubt that anything Biden had was even close to that. Apples to orangutans.

 

[Burning Man]

Ding, FUCKING DING!

 

[Vieux Port]

At the risk of stating the bleeding obvious, non of us are in top government positions and required to take "red boxes" home to manage a very much NOT 9-5 in the office workload.
I'd be very surprised if their are not old classified docs and files mixed up in home office filing cabinets of ex elected officials all over the world.

The difference with Trump is also bleeding obvious.
He appears to have loaded up boxes of documents to intentionally browse through after he was President and no longer authorised to do so.

My assumption is Trump took them home so he could ask Melania to help with the big words at a time when they were on speaking terms.

 

[Steam Flyer]

JFC, I hate Ted Cruz. So does everyone else. How does he keep getting elected?

Just ask any Republican. They hate Ted Cruz's guts, but he's WAY-Y better than any Democrat.

 

[Peter Andersen]

Just ask any Republican. They hate Ted Cruz's guts, but he's WAY-Y better than any Democrat.

This is true. They find him slightly less disgusting and more competent than Robert Francis O'Rourke.

 

[Mark_K]

Clearly oversights happen, even to people not attempting to destroy a republic. They happen much more often to a government whose default is to classify anything They don’t want the citizens to know, even if other world powers affected are already aware. We just gave a medal to a fighter pilot for an unsanctioned Cold War dogfight in the 1950s. For half a century Russia knew about it, but not his wife.

I’ve argued for years a democracy is as weakened by secrets as a relationship. All classified papers not relating to nukes or a weapon still in service should automatically be opened to internet searches after 20 years. Exceptions should be an active process requiring signatures of approval every couple years, making it hard for our leaders to hide their dirty laundry.

And no. The important people shouldnt be forgiven for things that would put their clerks in jail. Biden should face impeachment, Trump and Pence should face jail and automatic loss government benefits.

A big deal is protecting the foreigners who help us, so the standard us usually about 50 years, but not automatically. Some countries take vengeance on the families of spies.

 

[Go Left]

This is true. They find him slightly less disgusting and more competent than Robert Francis O'Rourke.

Is that Rhonda Santos' real name? I never knew.

 

[Mark_K]

Depends on what you mean by "Classified"? I think the term gets thrown around too loosely and no one really knows what they means. A doc can be "classified" as FOUO, CUI, Unclassified but not for public distribution - as well as SEKRIT, TS, TS/SCI, TS-Codeword, etc etc.

The question you and the press should really be asking is what is the
"LEVEL" of classification. That makes a Yuge difference to the conversation. Shitstain had actual SEKRIT, TS/SCI and TS Nuke shit in his shitter. I doubt that anything Biden had was even close to that. Apples to orangutans.

Not to mention that docs exist which bear classification markings but are no longer classified. Yeah, the removal of classification notations are supposed be on it but that doesn't always happen. This is something the cops-in-the-field can not assess so the standing order is seize and report.

 

[Peter Andersen]

Not to mention that docs exist which bear classification markings but are no longer classified. Yeah, the removal of classification notations are supposed be on it but that doesn't always happen. This is something the cops-in-the-field can not assess so the standing order is seize and report.

yes, thats why nothing is 'comparable' until the specifics are known. Joey probably has the battle plans for the invasion on Normandy he said he helped plan.

 

[d'ranger]

yes, thats why nothing is 'comparable' until the specifics are known. Joey probably has the battle plans for the invasion on Normandy he said he helped plan.

You really are a pathetic little man.

 

[Peter Andersen]

You really are a pathetic little man.

while he was attending Mass and Temple on Saturday, and the 'Black' church on Sunday, after graduating in the top of his law school class, after part time truck driving, speaking and giving awards with his dead relatives, abandoning his grandchild, fucking a married woman, getting arrested in the Civil Rights movement, etc.

 

[Lark]

A big deal is protecting the foreigners who help us, so the standard us usually about 50 years, but not automatically. Some countries take vengeance on the families of spies.

I’d be ok with redacting the names of non government officials for half a century. Our own government employees and elected leaders should have their names and actions exposed to daylight while they are still alive to face their grandchildren. Unfortunately that’s hard when we elect geezers.

 

[d'ranger]

while he was attending Mass and Temple on Saturday, and the 'Black' church on Sunday, after graduating in the top of his law school class, after part time truck driving, speaking and giving awards with his dead relatives, abandoning his grandchild, fucking a married woman, getting arrested in the Civil Rights movement, etc.

George Santos? Give it a rest JT, your bullshit only convinces what a creepy fucked up failure you are. But then maybe you are proud to own that. Like having to keep getting new IDS.