Who know more about the Aeolos P30?

FlorianS

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Follow #Aeolos on FB, Insta etc. The 1st boat is nearly ready to sail, the production this weeks is around 4 - 6 boats

https://www.aeoloscomposites.com/yachts

 

floater

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the twin rudders are better for downwind flying, but the single foil is better for upwind and 'round the cans racing, which makes sense.
idks, but I would have thought the opposite. upwind only a single (small) foil sticking in. Downwind the wetted surface of a single foil < two foils.

 

Black Jack

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Follow #Aeolos on FB, Insta etc. The 1st boat is nearly ready to sail, the production this weeks is around 4 - 6 boats

https://www.aeoloscomposites.com/yachts
Congratulations on your first post.

Is this guy or his shills ever going to buy an ad for this unattractive boat.
This boat has more pimps that Johns. I again ask they buy an ad rather than this free run around they have been attempting to do since the beginning of this design.

 
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Fintho

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idks, but I would have thought the opposite. upwind only a single (small) foil sticking in. Downwind the wetted surface of a single foil < two foils.
I think it's more about stability with the twin rudders downwind, and they tend to be better at getting out of broaches etc right?

 

Black Jack

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reading marking people

Seems to have people who want to talk about boats and design. On a sailing forum. How awful, burn all the witches.
It is more guerrilla marketing from the get go. They known it and perpetrate it a few times.  you can defend it as much as you want. I like SA and would like them to be profitable. It costs them money to host your opinions and thoughts. Do you really think all this paid for from love of sailing and great sailing mind contrubtions like yourself.

I am certain the sponsors of this section of the forum would love to have free ad space, glowing reviews of there vessels and write ups with links to facebook. They for the most part don't. 

Dude i love porn as much as the next sailor. Watching someone attempt to blow themselves once is cool if you are into it. Watching someone repeatedly in an effort create a business blowing themselves on some one else's site without some financial support is slight disingenuous. Like getting on the back door of a bus to skip paying for a ride. It is laughingly good times when you do it once. But when you have others with connected interest join in to avoid the ticket to ride,  it is some else.

 

Black Jack

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Yes actually. No contributors, no SA. No content, no advertising revenue.
Classic self centered internet troll response. Everything on line should be free because it is easily available.  This thread is remarkably telling of the fine line that a forum role runs and the community it serves and the costs that takes to associated with a quality internet media hosting site. 

yeah, like i said it is like a bus route. we both understand that with no riders there is no route. I am little disappointed that someone with nearly 16,000 posts would think so little of the folks whose lively hood depends on the profits and loses of this site, pay the server bills, add and monitor it for content so they can keep the thing going and are very eager to make this site profitable enough to continue via sponsorship and advertising that they defend folks who themselves are in a commercial enterprise who seek to use this site without making an attempt give compensation while doing cheeky guerilla marketing posts and direct facebook links for a unattractive (to me) vessel that has yet to be tested.  

 
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Hans Genthe

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Classic self centered internet troll response. Everything on line should be free because it is easily available.  This thread is remarkably telling of the fine line that a forum role runs and the community it serves and the costs that takes to associated with a quality internet media hosting site. 

yeah, like i said it is like a bus route. we both understand that with no riders there is no route. I am little disappointed that someone with nearly 16,000 posts would think so little of the folks whose lively hood depends on the profits and loses of this site, pay the server bills, add and monitor it for content so they can keep the thing going and are very eager to make this site profitable enough to continue via sponsorship and advertising that they defend folks who themselves are in a commercial enterprise who seek to use this site without making an attempt give compensation while doing cheeky guerilla marketing posts and direct facebook links for a unattractive (to me) vessel that has yet to be tested.  
I won some races and but the experience in the AEOLOS P30 design, discussed it on facebook. I started this project because clients want the boat, and were willing make a prepayment. I can´t spent anything for advertising out of this money. It´s for building the boats. I told the whole story in the first post at SA, which became deleted. After that I stopped reading SA. At the moment I have time, due to covid and quarantine, and read this comments.
I understand now, SA is no journalism, only paid content.

Finance has changed this year, AEOLOS became part of Nova Holding, and has an investor. I am happy to spend money in the magazines, which have supported me and stick to Journalism ethics and standards.

 

Roleur

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Classic self centered internet troll response. Everything on line should be free because it is easily available.  This thread is remarkably telling of the fine line that a forum role runs and the community it serves and the costs that takes to associated with a quality internet media hosting site. 

yeah, like i said it is like a bus route. we both understand that with no riders there is no route. I am little disappointed that someone with nearly 16,000 posts would think so little of the folks whose lively hood depends on the profits and loses of this site, pay the server bills, add and monitor it for content so they can keep the thing going and are very eager to make this site profitable enough to continue via sponsorship and advertising that they defend folks who themselves are in a commercial enterprise who seek to use this site without making an attempt give compensation while doing cheeky guerilla marketing posts and direct facebook links for a unattractive (to me) vessel that has yet to be tested.  
You've lost me.  How is this thread any different than the threads on this forum about the Dehler 30, or the Beneteau 31.7, or the GS 44 vs. Pogo 44 thread, which you started.  Or the Beneteau First 36 thread on the SA main forum?  

I'm just not seeing the issue.  The editor doesn't seem to be concerned, nor does anyone else besides you.  Why the fuss?  

 

Snowden

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"a fellow from Texas can tell the difference between grass roots and AstroTurf"

I'm not from Texas, so it's pretty hard for me to distinguish between a disguised ad (that should be paid for) and someone connected with a project contributing to a forum users' discussion (which is really interesting and should be encouraged).

 

Black Jack

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You've lost me.  How is this thread any different than the threads on this forum about the Dehler 30, or the Beneteau 31.7, or the GS 44 vs. Pogo 44 thread, which you started.  Or the Beneteau First 36 thread on the SA main forum?  

I'm just not seeing the issue.  The editor doesn't seem to be concerned, nor does anyone else besides you.  Why the fuss?  
We ask sellers of boats to buy classified ads if they hype and add links about their shitboxes on these boards. In keeping with that - the whole thread was started by the dude who was selling concepts even before he made the boat and did continued promoting it until the dude was outed. There are numerous other boat builders who pay for the privilege here to do that very thing.

If you read my comments above you will understand my thoughts as well as others who think like I do. I like this site and know real advertising pays for it.  I mentioned it because it is a little shady in the way they have hyped and guerrilla marketed the boat. The Dude could have easily worked in a small marketing budget instead of backdooring the marketing campaign and creating a false social media buzz with connected shills. When busted he backed off. Ask him why he did stopped trying to pimp his commercial enterprise on this site after we/he recognized he was monetarily fucking over this for profit sailing media enterprise we all enjoy. He could tell you what the fuss was about but instead did not offer an apology and crept away.  His shills maybe not so much. 

for the record I still think the boat is unattractive, looks uncomfortable, lacks a great deal of dock appeal and comes from a place I would never buy from let alone would likely get support in case there was a problem.

 
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Roleur

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This thread was started by someone who asked what is wrong with it and for more information.  So...  That was the builder?

Again, how is it different from the Bene First 36 thread or the UFO thread in DA?  

If you don’t like the boat, then just move along to the other million threads on this site. 

I just don’t get all the negative energy. Why go through life like that?

 

Black Jack

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This thread was started by someone who asked what is wrong with it and for more information.  So...  That was the builder?

Again, how is it different from the Bene First 36 thread or the UFO thread in DA?  

If you don’t like the boat, then just move along to the other million threads on this site. 

I just don’t get all the negative energy. Why go through life like that?
Obviously you don’t know me.  i know exactly what I saw - shills and a dude pimping on a corner that he does not own. I don’t like the traffic nor do I think it is healthy for the site. If you want to buy a trick from him, feel free. 

this is SA - we all come with opinions.  Also feel free to express your opinions on the boat and builder.  You need not worry about what I expressed as a personal opinion of the vessel as it is mine and how it would not work for me.  As the dude  points out this is not a site for professional journalists peddling for a paper rag or portal. He would never entertain giving any money to a site that won’t give him something he feels he should get for free or less worthy to his genius and work.

 
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Hans Genthe

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so, this means she floats?
No. Check the website. Boat is finished, but I am sitting on my bed, recovered from Covid 19, waiting for quarantine end. Used the time to read all the comments in the world and found this stream yesterday. Sounds a bit strange to me...

 

Odd Sock

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We ask sellers of boats to buy classified ads if they hype and add links about their shitboxes on these boards. In keeping with that - the whole thread was started by the dude who was selling concepts even before he made the boat and did continued promoting it until the dude was outed. There are numerous other boat builders who pay for the privilege here to do that very thing.

If you read my comments above you will understand my thoughts as well as others who think like I do. I like this site and know real advertising pays for it.  I mentioned it because it is a little shady in the way they have hyped and guerrilla marketed the boat. The Dude could have easily worked in a small marketing budget instead of backdooring the marketing campaign and creating a false social media buzz with connected shills. When busted he backed off. Ask him why he did stopped trying to pimp his commercial enterprise on this site after we/he recognized he was monetarily fucking over this for profit sailing media enterprise we all enjoy. He could tell you what the fuss was about but instead did not offer an apology and crept away.  His shills maybe not so much. 

for the record I still think the boat is unattractive, looks uncomfortable, lacks a great deal of dock appeal and comes from a place I would never buy from let alone would likely get support in case there was a problem.
So you're accusing people here who are interested in a new design of being shills? You're either paranoid or don't know the meaning of shill. Why don't you pop on over to the Beneteau First 36 thread and start calling people dude and shill. 

 
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