Who really believes tariffs are good business

[LB 15]

I would like to know more about ethanol subsides...from a farmers perspective .

How come? Knowing fuck all about a subject doesn't normally stop you from wading in with your opinions

 

[SloopJonB]

certainly got everyones attention .

Every word out of the mouth of the POTUS does.

That's the trouble with having a cretin as POTUS.

 

[shaggybaxter]

Every word out of the mouth of the POTUS does.

That's the trouble with having a cretin as POTUS.

^^^Yep. If you don’t think that having a feel good factor to negotiations is important, you’ve never done high level negotiations. 

Why do you think you have breakout sessions? Cos that’s where the real work gets done, and that’s done on relationships. 

 

[Left Shift]

Global trade is inflated by ships passing each other in opposite directions carrying the same stuff.

We export and import food. 

We produce ham, while importing the same stuff from Denmark.

Australian Citrus and grape growers go through boom and bust cycles that bankrupt businesses and families, while the country imports citrus concentrates from South America and grapes from all over the place.  It's fucked and If I were God that would not happen. 

The food miles and damage to the planet of this system is the fucking problem.

Unless you like variety and competition and recognize seasons and labor differentials.  

Can you imagine how terrible Australian cuisine would be without shipping?  

Or president's wives?

 

[austin1972]

I would like to know more about ethanol subsides...from a farmers perspective .

It's just a straight corn subsidy. I refuse to take it. There isn't a straight ethanol subsidy for the operator. I don't get to choose where the corn goes. It goes to the elevator or I sell to the river. And I feed some out. It's a spot price for the former two and is used in whatever way is chosen by them and their buyers.

 

[austin1972]

In a way, ethanol production is simply another corn subsidy I suppose. The USA grows a hell of a lot of it.

 

[Amati]

Even locally, there is a lot to do to reduce stupid waste of transport of goods.

I was following a truck loaded with CCA treated pine logs down a highway, wondering why he was not going to be fined for travelling in the fast lane in a 'no trucks in the fast lane' area.  Then I saw travelling in the opposite direction, a truck loaded with CCA treated pine logs with a different company brand on it. 

Now I know, it's about competition keeping prices down blah blah.  But it's fucked.  Why is it ok for goods to travel big distances when there is a local product available?

So globalisation and the capitalist system can only work if transport costs are low.  Looking at those trucks it is clear that fuel is too cheap.

Old awful sexist manipulative insane egomaniacal  Salesman joke:

What is the difference between love and rape?

Salesmanship!

Trump's a salesman.  The mindset’s now naked in the open, for everyone to marvel at (in their own way, of course!)!  Trucks passing on the road-is the result of a Good Idea (!!!). The Artwork of more than a few Deals, if you think about it.  

The Music Man.  G G Ross.  P T Barnum.  Thank you for Smoking!  Death of a Salesman, for example.

Pure Salesmen should never run a company.  Now you know why- its only about the Sell, nothing more.

Theres only one way to deal with a salesman- you’ve got to be willing to walk away....

how do we pull that off?

 

[Amati]

Not.

He has been sold to people who get caught in Nigerian email scams.

How can someone with the vocabulary of an 8 year old sell anything to intelligent people?  They can pick a fuckwit instantly.

He is a pawn in other people's sales plans.

It baffles me, but there are people who want to buy what he is selling....

 

[Ease the sheet.]

Not.

He has been sold to people who get caught in Nigerian email scams.

How can someone with the vocabulary of an 8 year old sell anything to intelligent people?  They can pick a fuckwit instantly.

He is a pawn in other people's sales plans.

It baffles me, but there are people who want to buy what he is selling....

Hes a salesman to a t.

You both give his buyers  too much credit....

 

[SloopJonB]

It baffles me, but there are people who want to buy what he is selling....

He's a cheap hustler.

If he hadn't been born rich he'd be selling time shares or be shilling in a carny somewhere.

 

[pond sailor]

"The difference between a Salesman and a Conman is belief in their product".....J. Douglas Edwards. There is nothing at all wrong with a true professional salesman, nothing happens until something is sold.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

 

[SloopJonB]

"The difference between a Salesman and a Conman is belief in their product".....J. Douglas Edwards. There is nothing at all wrong with a true professional salesman, nothing happens until something is sold.

And Trump only believes in his own bank account.

 

[Mid]

EU lines up its salvos to fight Trump tariffs



List of items proposed for new import duties ranges from peanut butter to Harley-Davidson motorcycles and Levi’s jeans.

She noted that the U.S. had cited a threat to its national security as the rationale for introducing the trade measures.

“We have serious doubt about that justification. We cannot see how the European Union—friends and allies in NATO—can be a threat to national security in the U.S.,” Malmstrom said at a press conference in Brussels. “We find that assumption deeply unjust.”

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/eu-lines-up-its-salvos-to-fight-trump-tariffs-2018-03-08?siteid=rss&rss=1&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Mid]

The Great Depression lasted from 1929 to 1939, and was the worst economic downturn in the history of the industrialized world. It began after the stock market crash of October 1929, which sent Wall Street into a panic and wiped out millions of investors. Over the next several years, consumer spending and investment dropped, causing steep declines in industrial output and employment as failing companies laid off workers. By 1933, when the Great Depression reached its lowest point, some 15 million Americans were unemployed and nearly half the country’s banks had failed.

https://www.history.com/topics/great-depression

do we really want round 2 ?

 

[BeSafe]

Trump understands branding and uses it as well as any American businessman ever has.  He understands how the mass media works, how to manipulate it, and they love him for it.  He's far better at marketing than sales. 

The problem is that eventually the engineers/reps have to come in and make his advertisement promises come true.  That hasn't proven effective as a president.  Congress isn't there to clean up his mess - it's there to enforce his vision and check his power.  But he's not a deeply convicted person and so they can't do either - and thus we flounder.

 

[frenchie]

He has been sold to people who get caught in Nigerian email scams.

This.

Speaking as the owner of an email account that Tea Party Nation thinks belongs to one of the faithful... having just cleaned out 3 years' worth of junk from its inbox... you are even more right than you realize.

I'd never received an actual nigerian scam email before.  That account has 3-4 per page  -  and that's counting only the ones that got past Google's filters.  And not including TPN sponsors flogging sketchy annuities & such.

 

[Raz'r]

Some Trumptards crying on the radio this morning.

"What do you mean 25% steel tariffs? our company might have to shut down! Can we get an exemption?"

Stupid fucks.

Basically, we're gonna KILL higher end manufacturing cause the worldwide price of steel is low. How stupid is THAT.  

Tariffs on manufactured goods that took advantage of no labor laws and no environmental standards? That's reasonable.

This? Stupid.

 

[SloopJonB]

https://www.history.com/topics/great-depression

do we really want round 2 ?

Well they failed in '08 so I guess it's time for another try.

 

[A guy in the Chesapeake]

Some Trumptards crying on the radio this morning.

"What do you mean 25% steel tariffs? our company might have to shut down! Can we get an exemption?"

Stupid fucks.

Basically, we're gonna KILL higher end manufacturing cause the worldwide price of steel is low. How stupid is THAT.  

Tariffs on manufactured goods that took advantage of no labor laws and no environmental standards? That's reasonable.

This? Stupid.

Trump's right when he says that the US has been taken advantage of, the Tariff approach is akin to performing heart surgery with a splitting maul.   If he had an ounce of foresight, he'd engage the WTO and propose a multi-lateral approach to dealing with China's dumping, not try to apply the blunt hammer of tariffs.