Why did J Boats drop the J100?
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Captain Jack Sparrow
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The first J/100's came out in 2005..before the market crash. There was plenty of money going around, hence the arrival of the Morris M36, Hinckley Daysailer 42, Friendship 40, at the same time. They were all meant to be simple boats that could be handled easily and had the minimum creature comforts (a head) and huge, comfortable cockpits. Deck layouts ensured that nobody would have to leave the cockpit. The J/100 at an asking price of around $140k in 2005 dollars was much more affordable than the others in the luxury daysailer market and the best performing by a longshot.
Absolutely agree that for the target market at the time, the J/100's performance blew away the buyers expectations of what a daysailer could do.
Thanks for the history lesson. My opinion was from 2010 not the boats launch.
If you had been around then you might have noticed how SA had been getting renderings of new J’s prior to the announcement. Could have sworn that was a poster called....Kent H.
You have a crappy screen name from a broke actor. Citing my posts to inflate your miserable ego will get you nowhere.
What part of the biz are or have you been in?
In 2010 Genmar was in process of liquidation. Brunswick was teetering and sailboat sales tanked. There were a few exceptions. One was called the J/111. A solid racer that had an interior. The boat APPEALED to a small group who could afford it
Fast forward to 2021. Brunswick can’t restock Dealers. Powerboat Sales are at a record pace. The Stock market has some retirement accounts bulging. Everything associated with Tech Zoomed into the stratosphere. Every single source shows household savings going up, up UP!
Where are the new J Boats? All I see are drawings. Pretty sad when the most interesting boat for those with $$$ is a 18 year old design.
Captain Jack Sparrow
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There is a slight irony to you criticizing my screen name and talking about my ego in a paragraph immediately after talking up your contributions to SA of J/boat renderings.
Thanks for taking the time to expound upon your position though.
Do you think the new J/9 will satisfy the seemingly many looking for used j/100’s? There was a local 100 just shipped across the country to San Francisco. It was pretty well set up for racing..wonder if the west coast guys will see her out there.
Not sure that's the question. How many boats get successfully re-launched 15 years after they debut? If there really is a market for that sized day sailor, why not design a brand new boat (the J/10?) to satisfy the demand, and have the ability to update/evolve those features that are now out of date, and or didn't work as well as they thought? Squall said earlier they didn't sell well, but I think they sold somewhere in the neighborhood of 167 or so boats...not too back considering the recession of 2008 3 years after launch.
slap
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And if they still exist what condition are they in? Where would they build the boats - ship the molds to France?
Even if the molds still exist it might make more sense to come out with a new design. A new design has the advantage of being targeted at the current market and wouldn't be directly competing with a used J/100.
Do the molds still exist?
In 2009, Pearson (Then Pearson composites, changed to Pearson Marine Group, and now?) in Warren RI, created the hull and deck, which were shipped a few miles south to International Marine Composites (Bristol) where the boat was completed.
When we went up to check on the boat, our deck and hull were still separate, but just about all of the deck hardware had been installed and in the hull the bulkheads, engine, fuel tank were in place.
While I was there they wanted me to sign off on the location for our genoa track, since it was nonstandard (at the time).
There was an untouched J/100 hull and deck sitting next to ours and it was interesting to compare the bare hull against ours.
Anyway, if the molds still exist they might be in this shot. With Pearson shut down, who knows, but International Marine is still finishing boats for J. So it may still be doable.
In 2009, Pearson (Then Pearson composites, changed to Pearson Marine Group, and now?) in Warren RI, created the hull and deck, which were shipped a few miles south to International Marine Composites (Bristol) where the boat was completed.
When we went up to check on the boat, our deck and hull were still separate, but just about all of the deck hardware had been installed and in the hull the bulkheads, engine, fuel tank were in place.
While I was there they wanted me to sign off on the location for our genoa track, since it was nonstandard (at the time).
There was an untouched J/100 hull and deck sitting next to ours and it was interesting to compare the bare hull against ours.
Anyway, if the molds still exist they might be in this shot. With Pearson shut down, who knows, but International Marine is still finishing boats for J. So it may still be doable.
glass
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glass
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If not, J Boats plan on introducing larger single number designs:
"We do see the need for
a slightly larger sister to the J/9 equipped with a wheel, but haven't
developed that one yet."
Blackadder
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Last year suddenly feeling like life may be passing me by I started looking for a replacement for my J/27 which I've had since 1993. Wanted a bigger J/27 with an inboard and a sprit. The J/100 ticked all the boxes - provided it was standard draft, had a factory sprit and 150% genoa tracks. I also wanted a huge cockpit, great looking was a must. Every time i found one on line it was sold, but finally hooked into one in Annapolis and now in the process of bringing her to San Diego.
What everyone has said about the boat being perfect for an old fart is right, can't wait to get her in the water. The boat is not really fast with Hoyt boom, 89% jib and asym tacked to the bow, but she will light up with the sprit. I think the narrow beam, relatively short keel and carbon mast are an interesting combination and we'll see how competitive she will be. On the other side cruising around with the wife and friends will be great, where the furling jib or Hoyt boom and asym to bow will be just fine.
What everyone has said about the boat being perfect for an old fart is right, can't wait to get her in the water. The boat is not really fast with Hoyt boom, 89% jib and asym tacked to the bow, but she will light up with the sprit. I think the narrow beam, relatively short keel and carbon mast are an interesting combination and we'll see how competitive she will be. On the other side cruising around with the wife and friends will be great, where the furling jib or Hoyt boom and asym to bow will be just fine.
TwoLegged
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@Blackadder, I'm jealous!
It seems to me that the J/100 has most of the ingredients for a very high performance cruising boat, because it can be sailed to a high proportion of its maximum speed with little effort. Boats optimised for rail meat and apes on winches slow down a lot without that help, whereas the J/100 is not degraded without them. Add that to a fairly light and slender hull and you'll be out-performing a lot of boats with a lower PHRF number.
It seems to me that the J/100 has most of the ingredients for a very high performance cruising boat, because it can be sailed to a high proportion of its maximum speed with little effort. Boats optimised for rail meat and apes on winches slow down a lot without that help, whereas the J/100 is not degraded without them. Add that to a fairly light and slender hull and you'll be out-performing a lot of boats with a lower PHRF number.
Blackadder
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Yep, will be renames as Flashheart. Got anything on her?
Geronimo
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Blackadder
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Seeing as I have never actually seen a 100 in the flesh this is going to be very interesting, but I obviously have faith! I did not even see Flash but survey was great and broker validated the girl.
Really looking forward to being in the club!
Really looking forward to being in the club!
Blackadder
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G, saw you are a 100 owner, what did you do about inhaulers? seems like they are also needed for the 150 genoa.
Blackadder - yes I was the first owner who put the boat together.
We won every distance race on Long Island Sound with the exception of the Block Island Race with her, sailing DH for 5 years - so to the commenter above who questioned her ability to win races I call bullshit!
When I sold her she was immaculate and looking at the pics it seems the 2nd owner has kept her up so you are getting a fantastic boat.
Good luck with her and happy to answer any questions - IM me
We won every distance race on Long Island Sound with the exception of the Block Island Race with her, sailing DH for 5 years - so to the commenter above who questioned her ability to win races I call bullshit!
When I sold her she was immaculate and looking at the pics it seems the 2nd owner has kept her up so you are getting a fantastic boat.
Good luck with her and happy to answer any questions - IM me
Blackadder
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Adrianl, seems my earlier post did not go through, amazing you owned her as fist owner. Yes she looks good, believe it or not she sold me on the photos and the condition, as I've never seen her first hand so I can't wait till hopefully this weekend. 2nd Owner kept her on a lift and the sails in nice dry storage. Did you use the jib boom and small headsail?
