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"Why do yachts have two steering wheels?"

shaggybaxter

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PS, I do think you taking the time to help younger people enjoy sailing is a great thing, for long distance it wouldn't be my choice, but for coastal stints, if they enjoy it then great. I do apologise for that.
All good mate, just sounded like a dick generalisation to make. Now that we've clarified only blue water cruisers with two wheels are the cunts in your book, a quick look around a few well respected blue water makes don't necessarily appear to agree. I'm sure you are right, they probably just don't sell any.

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Sailboat trim tabs and powerboat trim tabs are completely different components, with entirely different functions. They just happen to have the same name.
That was what ChatGPT decided a trim tab is and what it wrote.
 
All good mate, just sounded like a dick generalisation to make. Now that we've clarified only blue water cruisers with two wheels are the cunts in your book, a quick look around a few well respected blue water makes don't necessarily appear to agree. I'm sure you are right, they probably just don't sell any.

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Yeah, your probably right. Which of the above would you select for long distance? I'd go for the Oyster 57 myself based on hull design, and the pic shown, but the wheels seem too close together?. The Hanse 46 cockpit looks a bit sharp around the edges. Swan 48 looks handful for single/Mrs on board?
Yep, I know fuck 'all but willing to be educated. Planning a long distance soon. Best to learn it from you who have already done it it, all the best, tits (non sarcastic BTW)
 
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Se7en

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To be fair, having followed the forum for a few years, you posted that a few moons ago. So you like to take your teenage girl's friends sailing, well done you. Now go find some Ocean stuff and get back to me, your dual steering set up is a nightmare for cruising.
What aspect of it do you think is a nightmare?

The bit I don't like about it is how little structure there is behind the wheels. When you have water sheeting across the deck and decide that it's time to take over from the auto pilot, and slide along the deck on your arse, I'd like something a little more solid to stop me from sliding right over the stern.
On the other had, in the same situation with a single wheel when we were cruising, I had to stand up on the seats to get past the traveller and wheel. Not a lot to hang on to, felt a little exposed and unbalanced. Also a difficult spot to be clipped in easily. A jack line between dual wheels seems like a great thing, if only it didn't cross the traveller.

At anchor, twin wheels with space to walk between them would win hands down. I'd take that compromise every day for a cruising boat. Be good to have throttle levers repeated at both helms for docking though.
 

Howler

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so joking aside what is the preference , dual helms or one big mother ?

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I've never sailed with a large wheel that sits partially in a slot like this, but I would be afraid that right at the moment when some variety of shit has just hit the fan and the helm needs to react vigorously, there would be something big, like maybe a crewmember's leg or neck, sticking through the spokes at deck level
 
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charisma94

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I've never sailed with a large wheel that sits partially in a slot like this, but I would be afraid that right at the moment when some variety of shit has just hit the fan and the helm needs to react vigorously, there would be something big, like maybe a crewmember's leg or neck, sticking through the spokes at deck level
I broke my arm exactly that way on a IOR maxi with a large wheel well. Screaming down a wave, full 2.2oz kite, arm fulls of wheel either way, big broach, I fell over with my arm through the spokes... arm snapped like a twig and dislocated elbow. Good times.
 

tane

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after 3 rtw with tiller steering the lady deserved a BIG wheel, so we went for an Elan 410:
beautiful to look at & delightful fingertip steering from the windward seat - but very much in the way & unpractical for living on board, in & out of the dingi,...
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Chrick

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My J/44 has a 60" wheel which is great for steering from either side but hard to get past. I find it great for racing and less so for cruising when the autopilot is steering most of the time and my reason for going behind the wheel is looking at the chart plotter. So I've gotten a 40" wheel that I'll swap in for cruising this season and see how I like it.

I think for the modern boats with truly wide sterns there isn't much choice - how big a wheel would it take to allow steering from the rail? Even the tiller steered wide-assed boats have twin tillers now...
 

longy

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It's quite easy to just take the wheel off entirely at anchor/stern tied & lash it to the rail. Have a rag to tie over the axle, grease/anti seize really helps if you do this. Bike lock to secure the wheel to pulpit
 

Panoramix

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It is a bit of a gimmick though... You could have the benches going all the way to the stern and a tiller with an extension! Simpler, lighter and cheaper... With the money and weight you saved, you can even add a traveller so that the helm can control the twist of the sail without tensioning the kicker like a guitar string. That's a bit boring but why would you replace something simple which works with something more complicated ?
 
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LeoV

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Some people love gimmicks. You can order a tiller version or a Pointer 25 for sporty sailing.

I think they hit a specific target, and as a yard with history and long relations with their costumers it can work.

Tiller and traveler, obstruction for the elderly.
Two steering heels, daft on this size and Length Beam number.

We have an aging population with older people having a lot of cash, downsizing to smaller boat for shorter trips nearby. Hence the shallow draft, makes a lot of lakes and our Waddenzee a pleasure to sail.
This yard does winter storage and preparation work too, it seems yards like this survive the longest here. One stop package. Even have tiny houses for rent with your sail charter :)
 


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