Why is ISAF not cancelling any sanction or participation in Malaysia

[winchfodder]

Am I missing something?

Surely ISAF (World Sailing?) should immediately announce that they are pulling out of the Malaysia regatta.

No officials or International Judges from ISAF should be allowed to go as ISAF representatives.

Too late for Croce to be sending representative to discuss.

The event cannot be called a World Championship.

 

[George Hackett]

details please? what world championship are talking about? and what is the screw up that is causing you to ask your questions? details please?

 

[winchfodder]

details please? what world championship are talking about? and what is the screw up that is causing you to ask your questions? details please?

The Youth Sailing World's in Malaysia. Israeli competitors have been told that they cannot sail under their countries flag. And if they win medals no Israeli flags will be allowed on the podium.

The Israeli team have withdrawn in protest.

Now it us time for ISAF to make it clear to Malaysia that this is not acceptable.

 

[Sailabout]

apparently they wanted agreement before they issued visa's

Once again the Monkeys that run Malaysia have embarrassed themselves in front of the world

Cant wait for some of the Sultans to find out, many who support sailing not to mention the DrM of whoms backyard its being run in.

 

[Smithy09]

Totally agree. Ban 'em. I can't believe ISAF are not making a huge stink over this. Racist bollocks from these Turkeys.. At least Donald Trump only talks about it.. These guys actually implement it. Like Winch Fodder said, this is no longer a world championship and whoever wins the windsurfing medal must know they have done so under false pretenses.. Completely unacceptable.

 

[winchfodder]

details please? what world championship are talking about? and what is the screw up that is causing you to ask your questions? details please?

The Youth Sailing World's in Malaysia. Israeli competitors have been told that they cannot sail under their countries flag. And if they win medals no Israeli flags will be allowed on the podium.

The Israeli team have withdrawn in protest.

Now it us time for ISAF to make it clear to Malaysia that this is not acceptable.

See the homepage comment. ISAFs own rules do not allow descrimination. So come on ISAF tell the Malaysian authorities that no Israeli participation no World Championship and no ISAF officials jury or race officers.

If we allow descrimination anywhere then the dangerous religous fanatics like DAESH are winning.

 

[dogwatch]

It is unacceptable that visas were withheld. You've also got to consider 100s of sailors and parents are already out there, at their own expense. There's no good outcome here.

 

[Catflap]

It is unacceptable that visas were withheld. You've also got to consider 100s of sailors and parents are already out there, at their own expense. There's no good outcome here.

Shame on anyone who continues to participate, when good people stand by and lets bad things happen....

ISAF are are a complete bunch of arseholes who have no credibility if they don't act on this.

 

[dogwatch]

Pulling out is a decision people can make for themselves. I wonder what the mood is like in Langkawi.

 

[Munter]

Completely agree that immediate action from ISAF is required. The event is illegitimate if religious affiliations are controlling entry lists. ISAF standing by doing nothing would be appealing.

Apalling

 

[6924]

Washington boycotted Olympics because of politcs - it's old hat

 

[winchfodder]

I bet ISAF did not stick to their charter when "bids" for the event were made.

Malaysia should have signed an agreement to fullfil the charter to host a World Series.

ISAF must have know about this situation over a year ago and did nothing and now it is the young sailors and their families who are facing the embarrassment. Too late to cancel flights and hotels and boat movements.

It of course comes down to money. ISAF like money for all the dignitaries and officials and it is typical now that countries with questionable human rights history are allowed to bid without agreeing to the charter.

Yes sports can make a bridge between nations and between competitors around the world. But equally sports can easily be manipulated for propaganda purposes or allow countries to continue abuses without fear. Look at the massive overspend on the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi and then soon after Russia annexe Crimea and help rebels shoot down a civilian airliner.

If ISAF allow this event to go ahead as a World Series and sends officials and judges to Malaysia then they are positively condoning the very discrimination that allows DAESH (I do not use the other word as apparently they do not like being called DAESH) to gain a foothold in the world.

It is time for the big boys who lead sailing to front up, not leaving it to the competitors.

 

[SAAntisemites]

This kind of abominable shit has been going on against Israel, Israelis, and Jews, in sports- among other events- for quite some time. After a thought provoking cover story title called " throw the Jew down the well " SA comes out in full blown sympathetic mode with the two Israeli athletes denied the right to a country anthem or flag by a Muslm nation officially designated as moderate. And just to show how sympathetic the folks at SA are to Israelis and Jews alike, the cover story editorial throws in the lovely sentiment that Jews are forced to suffer enough by having to celebrate the fire hazard holiday of Hanukkah, rather than the really cool one with Christmas trees, Christ, and everything nice. Thanks SA for your uniquely sensitive solidarity to the plight of Jews being thrown down the well.

 

[winchfodder]

While I am on a rant how about how about VOR pulling out of China for the next race because of the Chinese annexation and wholesale destruction of reefs and islands in the South China Sea. They are nearer Vietnam and Malaysia as far as territorial waters and are in fact in international waters.

Just what can citizens do? Our governments could do more in terms of economic sanctions but I guess governments are ruled by business and banks who love to continue to trade with China.

How about the UK where most of the water utilities are now Chinese owned and soon the nuclear power generation.

Maybe we could stop buying Chinese goods? Some chance!

So let's just standby and watch the destruction of the reefs.

 

[JimC]

And if Malaysian sailing signed up for everything including the charter, and have been overruled by their government at the last minute, what exactly can ISAF do about it? Cancel the event at the last minute and leave all the other competitors in the lurch with all the tickets bought, boats transported and everything else? Nope. Unfair to all the other competitors who are utterly innocent of any wrong doing.

All they can do is to make damn sure that they don't go to Malaysia again without firm government level guarantees. But these diplomatic style issues are better quietly, not in public, or the attitudes get more entrenched in national status and all the rest of it. One thing you can be sure of, the more noise they see from the US, the more entrenched positions will get, because no-one likes being told what to do by the Seppos.

 

[winchfodder]

And if Malaysian sailing signed up for everything including the charter, and have been overruled by their government at the last minute, what exactly can ISAF do about it? Cancel the event at the last minute and leave all the other competitors in the lurch with all the tickets bought, boats transported and everything else? Nope. Unfair to all the other competitors who are utterly innocent of any wrong doing.

All they can do is to make damn sure that they don't go to Malaysia again without firm government level guarantees. But these diplomatic style issues are better quietly, not in public, or the attitudes get more entrenched in national status and all the rest of it. One thing you can be sure of, the more noise they see from the US, the more entrenched positions will get, because no-one likes being told what to do by the Seppos.

ISAF should not be signing up events in countries like Oman and Malaysia who pull off these sort of tricks.
There is no way the event organisers in Malaysia did not know what their government were going to do. The whole sailing thing in countries like Oman and Malaysia are government supported to promote tourism.

The organisers are not innocent victims here.

And yes. No more world sailing events in Malaysia.

 

[SAAntisemites]

Upon reflection, did you want to throw the Jew down the well to protect him from the fire hazards of Hanukkah?

Subconsciously only kidding.

 

[JimC]

There is no way the event organisers in Malaysia did not know what their government were going to do.

Of course not. None of us have ever experienced our governments changing policy on the hoof without thinking about the consequences, making knee jerk responses to some pressure group or the other, making stupid reactions to the latest press scandal etc. That sort of thing never happens. In dreamworld.

 

[winchfodder]

There is no way the event organisers in Malaysia did not know what their government were going to do.

Of course not. None of us have ever experienced our governments changing policy on the hoof without thinking about the consequences, making knee jerk responses to some pressure group or the other, making stupid reactions to the latest press scandal etc. That sort of thing never happens. In dreamworld.

"Youth and Sports Minister Khairy Jamaluddin earlier told the Malay Mail Online website that the visa decision was “guided by the existing policy of the Malaysian government” which does not have diplomatic relations with Israel."

Clearly this is did not coming out of the blue as ISAF and Mr Crocce might suggest. I suspect that ISAF were so pleased to get anybody to sponsor their Youth Worlds, when Malayasia offered the cash ISAF chose to not carry out any due diligence by asking the Malaysia government what policies were in place regarding their member nations and visas.

Getting too late now for the Israeli windsurfers. So at the very least ISAF should take away World Status to the whole event (not just the windsurfing). If sanctions are not applied then governments will never change.

Can anybody enlighten us on what sports marketing company brokered the ISAF Youth Worlds deal in Malaysia?