Please do. I can't talk to any of our MNA Board members without providing facts. Without them it falls into 'someone said something on some forum' category.
Why is ISAF not cancelling any sanction or participation in Malaysia
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jack_sparrow
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Soft cocks...love to see their view if US sailors were on the recieving end of this shit.
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As a sailor in the US, I'm pretty sure the reaction would be about the same. US Sailing is beyond worthless when it comes to racing, and sailors rights. The organization is now focused almost entirely on selling their coaching and teaching certifications. Racing is an afterthought.
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Anyone in London on the 8th?
Chance to ask ISAF and Gary Jobson some awkward questions about Malaysia and Oman.
AN AUDIENCE WITH WORLD SAILING
15:45 January 8th 2016
London Boat Show Theatre | London Boat Show | ExCel
You are invited to join World Sailing for a 30 Minute interactive discussion on the direction of the sport. With topics to be covered including:
The Road to Rio
The Emerging Nations Program
The launch of new World Sailing website
World Sailing TV
World Sailing's new in-house production facilities
Speakers to include World Sailing's Vice President Gary Jobson and Chief Marketing Officer Malcolm Page along with special guests including World Sailing TV Series Editorial Director Matthew Sheahan.
Chance to ask ISAF and Gary Jobson some awkward questions about Malaysia and Oman.
AN AUDIENCE WITH WORLD SAILING
15:45 January 8th 2016
London Boat Show Theatre | London Boat Show | ExCel
You are invited to join World Sailing for a 30 Minute interactive discussion on the direction of the sport. With topics to be covered including:
The Road to Rio
The Emerging Nations Program
The launch of new World Sailing website
World Sailing TV
World Sailing's new in-house production facilities
Speakers to include World Sailing's Vice President Gary Jobson and Chief Marketing Officer Malcolm Page along with special guests including World Sailing TV Series Editorial Director Matthew Sheahan.
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I so wanted to igore you, and I am sure you'll come up with some spin back in your favor (you do know you are unliked and disrespected on this thread, right?) but I digress...dorydude said:
You keep making the point that Israel withdrew, they were not banned, yet that is not the root issue being discussed. The root issue is that one country was given requirements for visas that no other country was given. You have acknowledged that in past posts. That one countries visa applications were delayed, while no other country was, delayed to the point that by the time they complied to discriminatory restrictions, not applied to any other country, they would have had but a few days to train; compared to months provided to the other sailors.
Te root issue is not just this specific regatta, it is the systemic actions by the ISAF/WS body that repeatedly ignore its own rules and constitutions when certifying venues for World Sailing Events. This is not about Israeli politics, Malaysian politics, or for that matter, any world government politics. It is about an International Organization that flouts its own rules for whatever reason (greed/power).
People use this argument about "Think about the children" when talk of sanctions or removing titles or some other action is in order, and I do not understand the viewpoint. If, on day one some competitor broke a rule that resulted in expulsion of the event, should the RC jsut ignore it, because "think of the children". Boats break on the start line, things happen and sometimes all that time, money, and effort sinks to the bottom of the sea, but that is how life works sometimes.
The correct reaction from the ISAF/SW officials should have been to cancel the venue, move the venue, or pull out recognition and the MNA hold a expensive, but plain old regatta for those who came.
So to be clear, it is not about banning or withdrawing, is is about working from within the rules set forth, it is about keeping to the highest standard of fairness and equity to help promote the sport. Moving forward the WSO should now be very clear about how to approach future events. The ask one question right up front, will every sailor be able to compete without any restrictions imposed that can affect their ability to sail or enter a country without issues? At the moment it would seem that the next couple of Events may be questionable if the WS truly believed in their charter.
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freakIRL
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sail-world website has been down for over an hour, can't read Gladwell's reports.
Anyone else with same problem?
Anyone else with same problem?
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Out of all of the people who race sailboats in the world, I wonder how many are aware of what their MNA and World Sailing does? I wonder how many of them know how they got into the positions they hold? I wonder how many of them are aware of the decision making processes that lead to a World Sailing (ISAF) Youth Worlds? I figure it must be closer to 1 out of 1,000 to 1 out of 10,000.
It is hard to see that many really understand who is in charge that leads to these decisions.
After the attempt to get sailing out of Guanabara Bay for the 2016 Olympics, very few still understand that World Sailing (ISAF) controls the decision to use those waters and can de-certify Guanabara Bay and move it to a clean water venue. It is clear to me that World Sailing (ISAF) decision making process whether dealing with the Olympics or dealing with a venue for Worlds Championships is highly flawed. They simply are making bad decisions.
Once the system is broken which it is, wholesale changes need to come to World Sailing. We will continue to see very bad decisions made by the organization.
It is hard to see that many really understand who is in charge that leads to these decisions.
After the attempt to get sailing out of Guanabara Bay for the 2016 Olympics, very few still understand that World Sailing (ISAF) controls the decision to use those waters and can de-certify Guanabara Bay and move it to a clean water venue. It is clear to me that World Sailing (ISAF) decision making process whether dealing with the Olympics or dealing with a venue for Worlds Championships is highly flawed. They simply are making bad decisions.
Once the system is broken which it is, wholesale changes need to come to World Sailing. We will continue to see very bad decisions made by the organization.
it is up for me: http://www.sail-world.com/ISAF-knew-of-Youth-World-champions--exclusion-issue-from-outset/141300
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Thanks!
Rail Meat
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Found the German Statement at www.webandsail.de and searched in their news section. It's the fifth article down, and in German. It's something of a recap that touches on Gladwell ' article, the Danish federation announcement, the US Sailing announcement and then at the bottom references a statement on December 28 by Andreas Lochbrunner as President of DSV. I can't immediately find the original publication source or 8f it just came out by press release.
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Fucking savages were eating with their hands and freezing to death. Buffalo have made a comeback. They're not complaining.
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And Yachting New Zealand's statement came in the form of an interview with David Ambercrombie, Yachting NZ chief executive, shown on tvnz on December 30. You can search on Yachting New Zealand Malaysia tvnz and the link comes up.
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Yeah, but I can't remember or find where the bots got it from. It's too specific to be anything but an actual press statement.atefooterz said:
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Found it. It is a statement published on www.bayrensail.de/index.php?id=983
It's both a recap of German participants and the statement at the bottom of the piece. In German, of course.
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And it looks like I screwed up with the Dutch, since I can find no trace of the statement. I was sure that I had read something, but perhaps I confused it with the Danish statement.
On the upside, there is a decent statement by the Brits now. The French statement is pathetic.
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And Sailing Norway joins the chorus. Ceck out www.seiling.no for the details.
Thanks. It's strange that statement is on Bavarian (read - regional) site but there's nothing on official German MNA site. Statement itself is weak, btw.
NZ? It's just Abercrombie's opinion on NZTV, still nothing official on www.yachtingnz.org.nz
Are they all playing low key?
Here's nice detective work by Sail World on how it happened that Malaysia got chosen:
http://www.sail-world.com/ISAF-knew-of-Youth-World-champions--exclusion-issue-from-outset/141300
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Ah, the German Sailing Association. The statement can not be found on the official site.
Looks like it's from December 28th 2015. It can be found in exactly two places:
In original form(?) on the Bavarian chapter site as an footnote / extension on what is otherwise a 100% copy paste of a German Sailing Association article.
In a slightly edited version as an update of an article from the 27th on yacht.de about Israel withdrawing from the event. - So probably a reaction to that.
(and in 1 news aggregator)
Its a two part statement, the fist part is a recap of the situation they respond to, the second boils down to:
The German Sailing Association expects World Sailing to investigate the incident in a timely fashion and draw corresponding conclusions if the allegations are true. Intolerance has no place in sports.
Oh, the president quoted in the statement comes from Bavaria. Make of that what you want. I think #Neuland. (Explaination for non German speakers)
Looks like it's from December 28th 2015. It can be found in exactly two places:
In original form(?) on the Bavarian chapter site as an footnote / extension on what is otherwise a 100% copy paste of a German Sailing Association article.
In a slightly edited version as an update of an article from the 27th on yacht.de about Israel withdrawing from the event. - So probably a reaction to that.
(and in 1 news aggregator)
Its a two part statement, the fist part is a recap of the situation they respond to, the second boils down to:
The German Sailing Association expects World Sailing to investigate the incident in a timely fashion and draw corresponding conclusions if the allegations are true. Intolerance has no place in sports.
Oh, the president quoted in the statement comes from Bavaria. Make of that what you want. I think #Neuland. (Explaination for non German speakers)