Why is it getting better? US / world

Ease the sheet.

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What have I lied about?

Note:  I have yet to resort to name calling, abuse and swearing to make a point.  

PS:  My name isn't Mikey.  I haven no idea who Mikey is.
So saying the science around mask wearing isn't conclusive isn't a lie? When there's plenty of evidence that mask wearing lowers transmission?

 
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Kate short for Bob

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Others have.
Is the reason none of you can post any peer reviewed research showing masks were significantly effective in limiting transmission is because there isn't any?

I've only seen one paper detailing a controlled experiment regarding mask use so far.  That was research performed in Denmark.  Its conclusion was there was no significant difference.

That conclusion aligned with decades of research and WHO recommendations prior to this pandemic.  It must be noted that those recommendations were based on a virus with greater infection and fatality rates than Covid-19.

The reality is, which many refuse to accept, is that regardless of what interventions are imposed the pandemic has followed the same course.  The only exceptions being where countries have managed to keep the virus beyond their borders at considerable cost.

 

d'ranger

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Not to mention that the flu which is also an aerosol spread virus was almost non-existent this year. That people were wearing masks is one hell of a coincidence.

 

Kate short for Bob

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Not to mention that the flu which is also an aerosol spread virus was almost non-existent this year. That people were wearing masks is one hell of a coincidence.
Cancer deaths, treatments and diagnosis are all well down this last 12 months as well. These masks are surely wondrous things.

Of course influenza cases being down (it isn't non-existent as they are still recording 0.8 cases per 100,000) is all due to wearing masks and has nothing to do with:

  • More people have been vaccinated against influenza in the USA (if not globally) in the last 12 months than in previous years;
  • Over 188 million doses of flu vaccine have been distributed so far this year.

    That’s a sharp increase from the 169 million doses that had been sent out at this time last year, and 163 million doses that were distributed at this point in 2018.

    Schaffner believes most of these doses have been inoculated into people.

    “Flu vaccination in the community started earlier this year, as recommended by the CDC, and our community physicians report that vaccine uptake has been higher than usual,” said Dr. Marie-Louise Landry, a Yale Medicine infectious diseases expert and the director of the Yale Clinical Virology Laboratory.

    The CDC reported that as of Nov. 21, 44.5 million flu vaccines had been administered in adults in pharmacies so far this year, compared to 30.4 million at the same time in 2019.
  • Unlike Covid-19 children are more prone to symptomatic cases of influenza than adults - closing schools may have stopped the spread of influenza;
  • “It is scattered pretty much throughout the country; it’s not as though some places have a lot and other places have nothing. It’s kind of scattered and stuttering out there throughout the country,” Schaffner said.

    H1N1 appears to be the predominant strain right now, according to Schaffner. H1N1 struck toward the end of the 2019–2020 flu season and has likely carried over into this season.

    Foxman said even though activity is currently mild, the flu could still take off.

    “The exact timing of flu season varies from year to year, so we cannot be complacent, and it is very important for everyone to get the flu vaccine this year,” Foxman said.
  • Travel both within and to and from counties has always been recognised as a key vector for the spread of influenza.  
 

Matagi

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Interesting too how record low levels of influenza have been reported in Sweden.
Young Padawan:

Remember: there is a difference whether you report something 'in Sweden' or 'from Sweden'.

But it doesn't matter without a source or at least a timely reference, so we let that pass.

The last official report was concerned with the 2019 / 20 season and reported a mild season.

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/publicerat-material/publikationsarkiv/i/influenza-in-sweden-2019-2020-season/?pub=80782

 

Kate short for Bob

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To most people, they are pretty straightforward. But hey, every one at their own pace, I guess.
Trying telling that to a child under the age of 7!  Probably why most countries don't enforce children to wear masks.  Part of the reason also is it is difficult enough to get adults to follow the correct protocols from putting on and taking off masks.  If you get that protocol wrong then using a mask was a waste of time as the outside of the mask has acted as an accumulator. 

 

Kate short for Bob

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The last official report was concerned with the 2019 / 20 season and reported a mild season.

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/publicerat-material/publikationsarkiv/i/influenza-in-sweden-2019-2020-season/?pub=80782
That was for the pre-covid year not the last 12 months.  Keep up Grasshopper!

The "mild season" in the 2019-20 year was suggested as a reason why the initial high Covid-19 mortality amongst the very old in residential care.  It was also significantly milder than its Nordic neighbours.

The latest season in Sweden has been reported as a record low which is backed up by the EDC and WHO surveillance programmes.

 

Matagi

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That was for the pre-covid year not the last 12 months.  Keep up Grasshopper!
I fully agree and never claimed otherwise.

Our test subject here however opted to not substantiate his view any further with a link or something just as eye-opening.

Remember, young Padawan: you, too, can post links and statistics to confuse your opponent. 

But be wise when to use this tactic. 

 

Kate short for Bob

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I have not, will not and currently am in no way not denying that it is not an unusual season with less than few numerous cases.
So getting back to @d'ranger's hypothesis that "wearing masks has resulted in influenza being non-existent".  It would appear that low levels of influenza is the result of a number of factors given that countries with varying levels of stringency have all had low levels of influenza.  One of the perennial flaws in influenza case number determination particularly when comparing it Covid-19 is the lack of comprehensive testing programs.  Certainly not at the level we see with Covid-19.  Influenza case number determination globally is based on the extrapolation of respiratory disease presentation and random sentinel testing.

 
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