Why is it getting better? US / world

hasher

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Of course not. Do you know for sure that you can’t carry it to others once you’ve had the vaccine?  At a certain point you just have to play the odds and get on with life. 
I ride my motorsicle with blinds over my eyes.  Whatever is going to happen is going to happen anyway.

 

BlatantEcho

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It's funny to see all the 'follow the science' people now squirming when presented with, actual science.
 

@Controversial_posts - well done adding basic science and facts to this.
There is now a mountain of data that shows lockdowns / all sorts of mitigation - have little to no impact on anything.

BUT, the politicians and media keep pumping fear - it's the surefire way to profitville.
Old people in particular (who watch the news still, and read mainstream media) - love this, and spread it around too.
They don't change opinions quickly.  So, they keep making up new ways to ignore the data.
But new variants!!!  ahh!!  lol
 

As noted, states with wildly different policies, have experienced almost identical outcomes.  Strange.
Cases rise and fall, without concern for masks, or lockdowns, or anything.
 

And the classic line: 'in the last 6 weeks, everyone took it more seriously' is the most anti-science thing I've heard.

You guys all got sold a story, hook line and sinker.
Now you're backpedaling....

Double masks!  New President! 
Vaccine!  Social Distancing!  No Schools!
Washing hands!  New variants not as bad!
 

lol, ok, as you wish...

Just a gong show with you people blindly following career bureaucrats, politicians and media for the ride of your lives the last year.
Who profited?  Hmmmmm......
 

 

Steam Flyer

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I and others have provided a math-based explanation for the undeniable 75%+ case decline,

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No, you haven't

You've spouted a bunch of made-up bullshit.

If wishful thinking and hand-waving were real medicine, no doubt you'd be a major playah at the CDC. But you aren't, you're just a dumbass giving harmful advice on the internet. You're going to get more people killed, which is why I say "shut the fuck up"

- DSK

 

Lark

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https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/key-metrics/cases-by-zipcode
A heat map by Ohio zip code shows we are nowhere near herd immunity on a state wide basis.   There are large pockets of low exposure.       Edit.   Adjust for a heat map in ‘view by’ on the right.   

Reinfection is real.    Odds are most people are older the second time, and third...

I’m becoming concerned the next round of stimulus checks will time with fairly good weather and cause a bunch of leisure travel and infection / reinfection.    The New York crises and hospital ship fiasco was March / early April. 
 

As with a flash flood, an initial wave is replaced by smaller waves reverberating, and finally just inundation.  We haven’t reached inundation yet.

 
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danstanford

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The case that the alarmist perspective is being perpetuated despite what the realities might be is true in my view. However, if they put me in charge I would probably follow the same strategy as it is likely the only way to control us. Fear works and is the principle reason we might follow good practices. 

 

NeedAClew

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The case that the alarmist perspective is being perpetuated despite what the realities might be is true in my view. However, if they put me in charge I would probably follow the same strategy as it is likely the only way to control us. Fear works and is the principle reason we might follow good practices. 
Back last March/Apri: appeal to altruism and civic responsibility. Stay home, flatten the curve, mask to protect others.  Result: mockery, less than 50% maskwearing most places.

Now: double mask, the new variants are scarey, masks protect you,if community positivity is low enough schools will reopen. Result: Mask up, muhfuh, I gotta get these kids outta the house.

 

Lark

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Back last March/Apri: appeal to altruism and civic responsibility. Stay home, flatten the curve, mask to protect others.  Result: mockery, less than 50% maskwearing most places.

Now: double mask, the new variants are scarey, masks protect you,if community positivity is low enough schools will reopen. Result: Mask up, muhfuh, I gotta get these kids outta the house.
Reopening schools is one thing.  I think the Germans got that one right.   The Ohio governor threatened to stop vaccinating teachers as a priority if they didn't harden up and agree to get in a room with children again.   I objected to the shutdowns in March and still think they were a panic reaction based on poor data and false appraisals.   I do think this was largely the fault of the feds / CDC, with our abysmal failure to prepare, our embarrassing inability to test, and the paucity of decent recommendations.   DOL and CDC guidelines were basic and useless.   I understand the fomite danger was overemphasized and the benefit of masks was underrecognized as we learned about the disease.   I'm talking about basic timelines and projections that were clearly fiction, as I pointed out a year ago.   

Panicking governors shut down prematurely not because they had a lot of cases, but because they had cases and assumed they had a lot more about to break.   They lied to us with 'two week shutdowns' when anybody with basic infectious disease experience could predict a marathon instead of a sprint.    This mislead gullible businesses and made the economic consequences even worse .   Throwing money at lower middle class and poor people plus PPP loans are the only things that kept the economy functioning.   It also created many bubbles and labor shortages.    They should have had a committee of economists, business owners, epidemiologists and retired clinical physicians / nurses evaluate the costs and benefits of various actions.   The epidemiologists want to quarantine everybody until the disease is gone or everybody starves.   The economists want the stores to be full.  The business people want to know what to prepare for, so they can do their SWOT analysis.   We started with just the epidemiologists, then pushed them in a corner and only listened to the businessmen.   The results speak for themselves.  We paid nurses unemployment benefits during a pandemic!     

Out here the issue isn't double masking.  Its open air noses or not masking at all.    A coworker got escorted out of a casino last weekend for not wearing her mask.    Supposedly she was drinking so couldn't wear it.   She was still in a casino.   She's also a conspiracy loving Trumper, so this isn't a surprise.    Travel is up: regional; national and Mexico.   I don't see a problem of excess caution.  I see people deciding to return to life as normal.   I also have another coworker who's 30 year old daughter, without risk factors, was referred to the Cleveland Clinic for lesions on her brain and hypoesthesia weeks after a 'just the flu' case.    There needs to be some compromise between back to normal and economy crippling shut downs.   Throwing stimulus money at bored people isn't going to help.   Congress had a year to target the emergency spending.   They lack the imagination and intelligence.   

 
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Monkey

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The case that the alarmist perspective is being perpetuated despite what the realities might be is true in my view. However, if they put me in charge I would probably follow the same strategy as it is likely the only way to control us. Fear works and is the principle reason we might follow good practices. 
Fear works til it gets abused. Then it has the opposite effect. It’s basically chicken little or the boy who cried wolf in real life. It leads to the rabid anti maskers because people stop trusting the info they’re getting. I still wear a mask when I go anywhere where people aren’t there voluntarily knowing masks won’t be worn. The whole crew wears masks on one of three boats I race on because we come from all over the place and don’t run in the same social bubbles. I believe in the science, not the fear mongering. Meanwhile, I enjoyed a rather busy sailing season on fully crewed boats all year, and life has almost been normal. Had some of the most fun sailing conditions in my life that I would’ve missed out on if I’d been hiding at home. 

 

danstanford

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 I would’ve missed out on if I’d been hiding at home. 
Monkey, I have been out in world sailing, golfing, and worked every day. I did however put in place every precaution I could for my employees and practiced good leadership there every day to re-assure them it was worth doing. I was/am not unduly afraid to be out there but I sure respect the rights of those who can and do stay out of harm's way. The only problem I have is with people who see themselves on the high ground and criticize others for what they see as the best path. I do not agree with my daughter and son-in-law who have chosen to let this control their work life but I am not about to criticize them for it.

 

Monkey

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Monkey, I have been out in world sailing, golfing, and worked every day. I did however put in place every precaution I could for my employees and practiced good leadership there every day to re-assure them it was worth doing. I was/am not unduly afraid to be out there but I sure respect the rights of those who can and do stay out of harm's way. The only problem I have is with people who see themselves on the high ground and criticize others for what they see as the best path. I do not agree with my daughter and son-in-law who have chosen to let this control their work life but I am not about to criticize them for it.
I think we’re strangely arguing against each other despite being on roughly the same ground. I’m just rolling with the science. Even though I know it’s probably pointless, I quarantine if I find out I was in direct contact with someone actively positive. I wear a mask when indoors in public. I’m polite about keeping my distance from people while in line to check out. Even though it’s probably unnecessary, I play by all the rules just in case, out of respect for others. However, science has said it’s safe for me to enjoy life again. That’s what I’m going to do. I know it offends a few people here, but I honestly believe I am not a risk to myself, or others. I’m basing that on the CDC and not Fox News!   Therefor, unless I hear otherwise, I’ll carry on with life. 

 

NeedAClew

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^You didn't say that first off or I wouldn't have hassled you. Sorry. Way it read you were not masking or playing by rules  etc. 

 

Monkey

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^You didn't say that first off or I wouldn't have hassled you. Sorry. Way it read you were not masking or playing by rules  etc. 
Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I’m 100% respectful of everyone that’s out in public because they have to be. Places like grocery stores, gas stations, etc. are places that EVERYONE has to deal with. Unfortunately, that includes people that could really suffer from Covid. I do everything I can to respect their well being. I’m masked up at all times and keep my distance. I’m not a monster. I listen to the science. 

 

Steam Flyer

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Sorry if I wasn’t clear. I’m 100% respectful of everyone that’s out in public because they have to be. Places like grocery stores, gas stations, etc. are places that EVERYONE has to deal with. Unfortunately, that includes people that could really suffer from Covid. I do everything I can to respect their well being. I’m masked up at all times and keep my distance. I’m not a monster. I listen to the science. 
^ word ^

I've missed out more on socializing than sailing/boating this season, my primary crew is my wife, anyway.

Here in internet forums I am sure I appear as much more combative than in person. There are a few people who are aggressively spreading misinformation and 1- that really pisses me off and 2- it needs to be stomped on. I strongly suspect that at least some of this is due to people deliberately trying to harm Americans. The question is, why would other Americans (or an "English thru and thru" person) sign up with this agenda?

Persuasion is better than profanity. Locally, our yacht club led the way in taking measures to guide members on how to minimize risk, according to the best medical/science info available. Right now we're talking thru how to resume events with appropriate caution

- DSK

 

BlatantEcho

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US cases just keep plummeting....  
Now at the same level as the 2020 summer peak.
 

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Ncik

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Of course it's going to be around for a long time like every other disease. I don't worry about catching polio or measles so I am assuming this will be the same thing? On SA I get to play the epidemiologist.
So you don't actually believe it has "fagged out" or going to be killed by summer and vaccines in the near term? We can all be hyperbolic fools some times, but I'm still not sure what you're trying to say.

 

NeedAClew

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It's better because we don't have a lying, narcissistic, sociopathic monster and his enablers in The People's House. I don't think the former guy had a card in his pocket every day with the number of dead written on it. 

I sure feel better. 

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