Why Trump Will Win in 2020

jerseyguy

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I am really hoping you are correct and that Biden makes a very good choice for VP that can shoulder most of the burden of the executive office.
Absolutely.  While the odds may not be 50-50, I would say there is a quite decent chance that Joe won’t finish a term.  Thus the VP has to be someone who can pretty much step in on day one without much of a transition period. If Joe were to pick an incumbent Senator he needs to make sure that the Governor of that state will replace a Dem with a Dem.  I don’t think the Dems will flip the Senate (the virus and a crashed stock market may well change that calculation) and giving McConnell another play toy is not a good idea.

 

Navig8tor

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Hmmm Trump might not do so well if he has COVID.

He had dinner with Jair Bolsonaro’s press sec at Mar a Lago

Pess sec has since tested positive for Coronavirus 

Guardian and Independent reporting it.

 

Navig8tor

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And possibly Pence as well, there is a god.

Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro is reportedly being monitored and tested for coronavirus, Brazilian newspaper O Estado de S. Paulo reported Thursday, according to Reuters.

The newspaper also reported that Bolsonaro's communications secretary, Fabio Wajngarten, tested positive for the virus, but is still waiting the results of a second test. Two sources confirmed his positive test to CNN.

Both Bolsonaro and Wajngarten visited Florida last week, including a meeting with President Trump at Mar-a-Lago, where they were planning to discuss trade, Venezuela, the Middle East and other issues. The two presidents reportedly shook hands, and Wajngarten stood next to Trump and Pence for a photo that he posted on his Instagram.

 

Jules

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I am really hoping you are correct and that Biden makes a very good choice for VP that can shoulder most of the burden of the executive office.


Absolutely.  While the odds may not be 50-50, I would say there is a quite decent chance that Joe won’t finish a term.


Ms. Harris would be awesome.
This has to be the first time I've ever heard or seen talk about the need for a presidential candidate to have a good VP.  And the candidate still hasn't won the primary.

I think of all the candidates initially running for president and how many of them were qualified to do the job (none having one foot in the grave) and it really makes me wonder, what the hell is wrong with the voters?

Is part of the problem young people don't vote?  Or is America so stuck on "safe" that they are afraid to try anyone new?

 

Raz'r

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This has to be the first time I've ever heard or seen talk about the need for a presidential candidate to have a good VP.  And the candidate still hasn't won the primary.

I think of all the candidates initially running for president and how many of them were qualified to do the job (none having one foot in the grave) and it really makes me wonder, what the hell is wrong with the voters?

Is part of the problem young people don't vote?  Or is America so stuck on "safe" that they are afraid to try anyone new?
I think it's more that after 4 years of "outsider" the push is now to "Competent"

I don't really need Bernie yelling at me for 4 years. I didn't want Liz lecturing me either. I coulda take Amy or Pete. Boring and competent. We get Uncle Joe. Ok. 

 

bridhb

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This has to be the first time I've ever heard or seen talk about the need for a presidential candidate to have a good VP.  And the candidate still hasn't won the primary.

I think of all the candidates initially running for president and how many of them were qualified to do the job (none having one foot in the grave) and it really makes me wonder, what the hell is wrong with the voters?

Is part of the problem young people don't vote?  Or is America so stuck on "safe" that they are afraid to try anyone new?
I have no idea but the way our silly ass primary system is run, but the time it gets here in Florida, there really is no reason to vote anyway.  The people I would have chosen are already out of it.  This is one screwed up system of selecting what might be the most important person in the world.

 

Jules

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Mismoyled Jiblet. said:
If you look at 2016 Bernie turnout as “not Hillary” the 2020 Bernie numbers make more sense
I was including Bernie when I said "one foot in the grave".  I just don't get what was wrong with the smart, experienced (and younger) candidates in the race.  Were they poor campaigners?  Where they lacking a Y chromosome?  Did the media fail to support them? 

It would have been so refreshing to see a young, vibrant face make it to the finals.  I'm so tired of old farts running this country.

 

Fakenews

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I was including Bernie when I said "one foot in the grave".  I just don't get what was wrong with the smart, experienced (and younger) candidates in the race.  Were they poor campaigners?  Where they lacking a Y chromosome?  Did the media fail to support them? 

It would have been so refreshing to see a young, vibrant face make it to the finals.  I'm so tired of old farts running this country.


I was including Bernie when I said "one foot in the grave".  I just don't get what was wrong with the smart, experienced (and younger) candidates in the race.  Were they poor campaigners?  Where they lacking a Y chromosome?  Did the media fail to support them? 

It would have been so refreshing to see a young, vibrant face make it to the finals.  I'm so tired of old farts running this country.
Problem is the start the primaries in lily white states.  Start them instead in North Carolina,  VA, Florida and Texas and you’ll get a different pool of candidates making it till the end.

 

bridhb

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Problem is the start the primaries in lily white states.  Start them instead in North Carolina,  VA, Florida and Texas and you’ll get a different pool of candidates making it till the end.
Do in in all states at once, and have run offs until you get the person actually selected by the members of the party.  I guess by law, the party really doesn't have to do any of it and can just select who they want to run.  At this point, that may have been better.

 

Jules

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Do in in all states at once, and have run offs until you get the person actually selected by the members of the party.  I guess by law, the party really doesn't have to do any of it and can just select who they want to run.  At this point, that may have been better.
In 2016, Hillary was their anointed.  This time it was Joe.  So the results wouldn't be any different.  The DNC doesn't look for the best candidate.  They look to see whose turn it is or who is most liked within the organization (not to be confused with the members).

Democracy would demand we let the voters choose but most voters don't take the time to get to know what the candidates have actually done to determine who would be the best choice.  

If we took the process out of the hands of the political parties (it is OUR election after all) and created minimum requirements like an employer would, we might have a better chance of winnowing down to the two best candidates.  But that will never happen.  The political parties have a stranglehold on the process and would never allow it.

 

Jules

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Why Trump will win in 2020 - the establishment Democrats will never try to bring in progressives.  Hillary 2016 redux.




 

Sol Rosenberg

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4 minutes ago, Jules said:

Why Trump will win in 2020 - the establishment Democrats will never try to bring in progressives.  Hillary 2016 redux.


If Bernie had brought them in, he would have won the nomination. 

 

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In 2016, Hillary was their anointed.  This time it was Joe.  So the results wouldn't be any different.  The DNC doesn't look for the best candidate.  They look to see whose turn it is or who is most liked within the organization (not to be confused with the members).

Democracy would demand we let the voters choose but most voters don't take the time to get to know what the candidates have actually done to determine who would be the best choice.  

If we took the process out of the hands of the political parties (it is OUR election after all) and created minimum requirements like an employer would, we might have a better chance of winnowing down to the two best candidates.  But that will never happen.  The political parties have a stranglehold on the process and would never allow it.
That's not actually true. The DNC does indeed look pretty hard for their best candidate, as defined by "candidates they'll accept into the primary" and "candidates who get the most votes across the most states."

The problem comes in the limits of those two definitions. I like Bernie. I have voted for Bernie. But he did not get the most votes, and he's not really a Democrat.

Folks who identify as Progressive, or Progressive Socialist, or Green, or Trustafarian Sustainable Locavorian, etc etc, have a tough choice to make. Same tough choice they had to make in 2000 (that may be going a bit far back), and every two years ever since. A series of tough choices actually, starting with the decision as to whether to take the time & trouble to actually VOTE.

Choice: Vote for a candidate that has a chance of winning, and more closely represents policies you'd like but not all that close; or Vote Republican.

All too many make the choice to not vote. My sister-in-law, for example, told me that there was not enough difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush to be worth her taking the trouble to vote for one over the other. I felt like asking her to reevaluate that choice many times in the ensuing eight years, but value peace in the family.

- DSK

 

DustyDreamer

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The differences are subtle in the sense that it requires foresight. In hindsight it's fairly obvious: thousands dead. Trillions spent on the war to nowhere. The list goes on. 

But it's also not untrue that essentially Ds & Rs are just two sides of the same neo-liberal coin. Being disheartened and giving up... not voting, not engaging and not participating in any kind of activism... is really the point. Obey your corporate masters and bow down to the almighty dollar. It's sad when people can't see past that. This is why I respect Bernie so much - he can help people feel that there is a point even as he loses yet again.  

 




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