Why Trump Will Win in 2020

Happy

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Perhaps the only chance of avoiding 4 more years of Agent Orange fucking America up is if Mrs. Tom takes a trip to Washington with her scary squirrel gun and plugs him.

Although I've been saying for the last three years that putting a mega-dose of LSD in the Presidential McDonalds order would probably sort things out....

 

ShortForBob

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A .22 squirrel gun with a 10-round mag. 

So which is it Tom: Is your wife incapable of hitting a harmless small furry animal without doing the old spray-and-pray, or is your place overrun by hordes of vicious attack squirrels? Have you ever considered using hand grenades against these killer beasts?

Does your wife actually give one-tenth of a shit about her gun, or is it just your never-ending obsession?

Back on topic: If Trump wins again in 2020, I suspect the USA is going to start experiencing a brain drain. Smart people will start pissing off in droves to countries where the leaders are not ignorant mobsters. 
I don't think it's Tom's wife's gun.

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BeSafe

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I think it boils down to young adults outvoting senior citizens,    There are young racist anti socialist nutters here, but they aren’t the norm.   The old people have semi socialized medicine and want to keep it for themselves.   If it’s raining in key districts Trump voters won’t want to drive.  The other variable is the economy.    It seems that every crash in my lifetime took the experts by surprise, from  Dot Com to the Great one.    That makes sense, if the bankers and brokers could predict the time they would engineer an ejector seat and wouldn’t need government bailouts.  

The power of mass hypnosis and mob panic is humbling.    The last recession left deep scars.    There were cheap commercials on radio selling some kind of financial miracle or get out of debt scheme needed due to the terrible economy,   Those adds finally disappeared in 2019, replaced by adds for house flipping with other people’s money classes.    Now that everybody knows it’s booming it seems the next big recession is inevitable, just like before.    If it happens after the election Trump may face torch lit mobs and need his brown shirts in the national guard and and state militias.    He won’t be able to cut the prime very far, won’t be able to deficit spend much more, and is pretty clueless about financial things anyway.    I remember the optics of President Bush the deader spending a couple hundred 1991 dollars on gasoline in an hour on his boat speeding off the Maine coast while normal people were looking for work.  I was a college kid competing against unemployed adults for summer work.   Mar a Lago favor trading with the half percenters won’t go over well with the downsized.   
That's really it and what I mean by personalize it.

The conventional narrative is that the economy is doing well, everyone is making money, unemployment is low, property values are up, etc.  Which, at the macro level is true.  But the angst of the Midwest is that it HASN'T been uniform and there are areas that have never seen much growth.  People just keep watching their kids leave.  I think those people are deeply frustrated with politicians and Bernie offers a level of sincerity that's unusual.  Trump's attacks aren't really going to have the same sting against Bernie.

I use to think that Biden was the answer but watching him in the debates and watching him in his campaigns, I'm now convinced that he's on the wrong side of the 'wily veteran/old coot' divide. I don't think he's going to hold up and he's LOSING in the 93% old white folk states for god's sake.  I think Trump wins that one going away, regardless what the national polls say today.

And you're absolutely right about young adults (who don't vote) and seniors who always do.  The young adult cohort is almost ready to take over but I tend to not think its 2020.  More like 2024 and more realistically, 2028.

 
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Pertinacious Tom

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A .22 squirrel gun with a 10-round mag. 

So which is it Tom: Is your wife incapable of hitting a harmless small furry animal without doing the old spray-and-pray, or is your place overrun by hordes of vicious attack squirrels? Have you ever considered using hand grenades against these killer beasts?

Does your wife actually give one-tenth of a shit about her gun, or is it just your never-ending obsession?

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I just don't want the USA to end up like Australia, where out of control grabbers are confiscating museum collections.

What's the matter down there? Are you really soooo scared that a criminal will break into a locked museum, defeat any alarms, make off with an antique gun, fabricate a firing pin to replace the one museums remove, and go on a rampage?

What's it like to be that scared of private gun ownership anyway?

 

jocal505

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I just don't want the USA to end up like Australia, where out of control grabbers are confiscating museum collections.

What's the matter down there? Are you really soooo scared that a criminal will break into a locked museum, defeat any alarms, make off with an antique gun, fabricate a firing pin to replace the one museums remove, and go on a rampage?

What's it like to be that scared of private gun ownership anyway?
Tom, why are people on several continents terrified of guns? You can't figger it out? Right. You are playing dense.

Ask yourself why such gun terror is documented within common law from 1285 to the present. Nothing has changed, except that the firepower became more fearsome, at least to the reasonable people, who are not being dense.

When public safety goes missing, healthy adults are gonna notice. 

 

Pertinacious Tom

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I don't think it's Tom's wife's gun.

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And I don't think Happy is aware that your grabbers are confiscating disabled museum pieces.

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I'd like to thank Aussie grabbers on behalf of nutz in the rest of the world.


Removing (and separately storing) the firing pin would work for most if not all old weapons. No big deal.

I am somewhat surprised that this wasn't a requirement years ago. Displaying working military hardware to the public would tempt the occasional fuckwit. As posted above, grenades and bombs are not displayed live.
Readers of the article know that the firing pins were removed. Non-readers, OTOH, say stuff like Happy said.

 

ShortForBob

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The Museum opens at 9.30 tomorrow  :rolleyes:

They never wanted to GRAB the relics, simply render them inoperable. The (NSW)  Gov has since amended the legislation and met the museum half way. Of course the nuts still are not happy..whine whine whine.

https://www.lithgowmercury.com.au/story/6368888/disappointing-firearms-amendment-not-a-solution-for-lithgow-museum/


After working for over nine months to get an amendment to the 2017 firearms regulation, Lithgow Small Arms Factory Museum's (LSAFM) volunteers are disappointed with the outcome.



The regulation, which was introduced in November 2017, states that all pistols, self-loading long arms, sub-machine guns or machine guns were to be rendered permanently inoperable.



Last week, the NSW government released an amendment to the Firearms Regulation as it relates to museum firearm permits.



The main change was the provision allowing the Police Commissioner in certain circumstances to grant a museum an exemption from having its pistols and prohibited firearms permanently deactivated.










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bridhb

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Bernie won't be able to win the general election because Trump will effectively if inaccurately equate (very limited) socialism to communism.  Bernie may win the popular vote but not he electoral....rinse, repeat.

 

Jules

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As I've listened to the various pollsters pontificate, I've changed my opinion on Bernie.

I think he can win. I think Bernie can beat Trump one on one.  I think the "socialist" label has more power in abstract than in person.

Trump loves labeling people.  And he's really good at it.  From here until November, every time Bloomberg stands in front of a podium, people are going to be looking for a box.  And what's more, the MEDIA will be talking about a box.  Fauxcahaunts, Sleepy Joe.. stupid nicknames meant to detract from the person and make them less impressive but to also give the media something to talk about.  Every time Biden has a gaff or loss of thought, he's gonna get pounded.

The problem (for Trump) is that Bernie is largely immune to that attack.  Trump says he's a socialist - yea.. BERNIE says he's a socialist.  Bernie's old?  He's Trumps age. His heart?  Anyone REALLY want to put Trump's medical records up against Bernies?

What Bernie has that armors him against Trump is sincerity.  He's got a 50 year record of saying the same thing.  He's not a flip flopper.  He's not really a particularly good politician.  People inside the beltway DON'T like him.  Hillary wasn't lying.

So.. Trump's going to run on the economy.  He's not going to get any democrats.  That's foregone.  He's going to get a lot of republicans.  That's foregone.  But what about the disaffected 'deplorables' in Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc.

Bernie is going to stand up there and say "What the fuck has that rich New Yorker ever done for you??  Has he improved your lot?  Are you selling more corn?  More soybeans?  Can your kids go to school?  Can you take that family vacation?   Is YOUR property value skyrocketing?   How's YOUR resort in Florida making out?  Is your healthcare more affordable?  He cut taxes for his friends.  Did he cut YOUR taxes?  They saved billions.. how about you?  How had Donald Trump made YOUR life better in the last four years?"

I think that's an argument that  will play way better than the conventional media thinks.

And Trump is going to claim "Bernie's a socialist!"

This guy is the boogie man?  And Bernie can always come back with "I may be a democratic socialist but at least I can find my own dirt on my political opponents without outsourcing it to actual communist like Putin or some dude name Igor..- beotch"

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By the time I finished reading this I was wondering if you were working for Bernie.  You made some really good points. 

At the debate, Bernie said something to the effect that Trump's rich buddies have reaped billions more under Trump while the rest of America has seen a measly 1.7% increase in income.  You know Bernie would hit Trump over the head with that in a debate.  Add to that the new budget proposal, which cuts social programs and even cuts into SS (if the report I read was correct).  If that's true, Bernie would hammer away on that, too.  Bernie can pick apart Trump's negative impact on middle America all day and never get it all.

Everyone I talk to, from Trump lovers to staunch progressives, has said, sometimes begrudgingly, that Bernie is honest.  While some may quickly follow that up with a "but" their justification for overlooking his honesty is often a bit disingenuous.  And I believe they are well aware of that.

I think his honesty scares a lot of politicians, too.  The president sets the example for America.  If honesty becomes what the people look for in their representatives, a lot of politicians would be in deep trouble.  There's a lot of reasons not to like Bernie if you have benefited from being an elite or are one of the politicians working for them.

But what worries me most is a repeat of 2016.  Bernie draws large crowds, has a strong showing in the polls while the DNC and the media subtly (or obviously) work against him. And then the DNC throws all the super delegates at Hillary.  But this time it may well be that Bernie is the front runner while all those shenanigans are happening.  And that's sure to piss off a lot of people.  And that could lead to a revolt against the Dems.  Result?  Trump wins.

Fucking dumbshit Joe Biden was criticizing Bernie because he wasn't a "real Democrat."  So Joe, do you want Bernie to run as an independent and hand the election to Trump?  This is the kind of idealistic mentality prevalent in the DNC mainstream.  And it's completely counter to their claims they want to beat Trump.

Reports say Bernie drew out 30+% more young voters than what Iowa saw in 2016.  And these kids are excited.  You don't see that kind of enthusiasm with the other candidates.  If you can't excite the electorate, you won't beat Trump. 

At the other end of the spectrum, if the retired voters can stop listening to the socialist propaganda against Bernie long enough to actually listen to the words coming from Bernie's mouth, they may actually find out he is truly a man of the people. 

And who knows, along the way they may also learn that a democratic socialist is just not the same as a socialist and certainly not a frickin' communist.  Though I'm not holding my breath.

 

Pertinacious Tom

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The Museum opens at 9.30 tomorrow  :rolleyes:

They never wanted to GRAB the relics, simply render them inoperable. The (NSW)  Gov has since amended the legislation and met the museum half way.

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The main change was the provision allowing the Police Commissioner in certain circumstances to grant a museum an exemption from having its pistols and prohibited firearms permanently deactivated.
Welding them up destroys the collectible value. The alternative was to hand them over. So... destroy or grab. Sorry for the omission.

Glad to see they're going to let a few of them keep their antiques intact, but for the rest it's still grab or destroy. The museums said they'd export the relics before they'd devalue them by welding them up. Good news for non-Aussie tool colletors, as I said, but it still leaves me wondering the same thing with respect to those who don't get special permission.

Are you really soooo scared that a criminal will break into a locked museum, defeat any alarms, make off with an antique gun, fabricate a firing pin to replace the one museums remove, and go on a rampage?

 

ShortForBob

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I was just wondering how many of those that didn't vote in 2016 are low income earners?

Trump could have overreached.

Despite claims of lower unemployment and wages growing, a 16% increase on the minimum wage isn't going to equate to the cuts he's put in the budget.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/10/trumps-hostile-agenda-against-low-wage-workers/

digging a little deeper into the president’s agenda as it regards low-wage workers reveals a deep hypocrisy. Those in low-wage jobs still rarely earn enough to make ends meet. The trend may be their friend, but their wage levels are often still much too low to meet their needs, especially if they’re trying to support a family. As a result, they require various supports to close the gap between what they earn and what they need, and these are the very supports that the Trump administration is working hard to undermine. It’s doing so mostly through executive orders, rule changes and state guidance, not by legislation.

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 Low-wage jobs, even in hot labor markets, don’t pay living wages. Research — and once again, common sense among anyone who has ever been poor or worked with the poor — reveals that most able-bodied, low-income people want to work and do work, but steady, remunerative employment can be elusive where they live.
So low-income households often need nutritional support. Yet the Trump administration is aggressively pursuing rule changes (i.e. going around Congress) that could lead to just under 4 million people losing their Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits.
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ShortForBob

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BravoBravo said:
WTF is a "living wage" ?...besides a clever commie slogan...."Hope and Change"....something everyone can relate to but not define....wake up ..."useful idiots"
something above the poverty line you twat..you do know what a poverty line is? 

 

Pertinacious Tom

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Welding them up destroys the collectible value.


That is your opinion, only.  Others might still perceive value in collectible firearms, regardless of functionality.
Another non-reader? I thought you sometimes read stuff, but not this time.

According to LSAFM firearms dealer Kerry Guerin, around 70 per cent of the LSAFM firearms would be impacted and if they were to make these firearms permanently inoperable it would cost significantly, while also destroying the considerable value of the firearms.
I share his opinion, so it's not mine alone. Collectors of any kind of object don't like irreversible destruction and it impacts value. I didn't think this controversial.

 

ShortForBob

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BravoBravo said:
socialism only works in countries with poor....hence Obama undermining the American economy...exhibit A...Trump's efforts in rebuilding the American economy and the results...no need for extended hands DNC mentality and stump promises of more government cheese 
Does this make sense to anyone? 

 

ShortForBob

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There are masses of poor people in the USA..all that's needed is the conditioning..or perhaps the de conditioning would be more apt. You know..tell them about their rights to food, medicine and education . and free pitchforks for sticking the pigs.

 
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