Wtf happened to the GOP?

Sean

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Seems the Party has, for the most part, been taken over by what was the lunatic right wing fringe not long ago. We no longer have honest debate between two mainstream ideologies, each with its merits and pitfalls. Gone are the days of Crossfire and Firing Line. 

Peter Wenner has an excellent piece in the current Atlantic - 

The GOP Is a Grave Threat to American Democracy

Unless and until Republicans summon the wit and the will to salvage the party, ruin will follow.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/04/gop-grave-threat-american-democracy/618693/
 

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The radicalization manifests in myriad ways, most notably in Trump’s enduring popularity among Republicans. Trump’s loyalists have launched ferocious attacks against Republican lawmakers who voted to impeach him for his role in the insurrection, even as national Republicans eagerly position themselves as his heir. Right-wing media display growing fanaticism, while public-opinion polls show GOP voters embracing Trump’s lie that the election was stolen from him. The Republican Party’s illiberalism, its barely disguised nativism, and its white identity politics are resonating with extremist groups. Slate’s Will Saletan, in an article cataloging recent developments, summarized things this way: “The Republican base is thoroughly infected with sympathies for the insurrection.”

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All Americans should hope the Republican Party regains its philosophical bearings and moral senses. A healthy conservative party is important for the nation, as the Harvard political scientist Daniel Ziblatt has shown, and it can serve as a check on the left’s worst excesses. But today the Republican Party is hardly a healthy conservative party. In fact, it has grown inhospitable to authentic conservatism, and certainly to conservative sensibilities. What we are seeing instead more closely resembles what Ziblatt refers to as a “ferocious right-wing populist politics, which threatens to swallow older, self-identified conservative political parties.”

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Having alienated college-educated suburban voters, many consequential Republicans decided their best bet is to keep their contracting coalition in a state of constant agitation and fear, combatants in a never-ending culture war, “embattled warriors making a last stand against the demise of everything,” as a friend of mine describes it. And that, in turn, requires them to feed the base even greater falsehoods.

That is where we are, at least for now, and it does no one any good—least of all conservatives—to pretend otherwise. We saw how well denial and wishful thinking worked out during the Trump presidency.

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All Americans should hope the Republican Party regains its philosophical bearings and moral senses. A healthy conservative party is important for the nation, as the Harvard political scientist Daniel Ziblatt has shown, and it can serve as a check on the left’s worst excesses. But today the Republican Party is hardly a healthy conservative party. In fact, it has grown inhospitable to authentic conservatism, and certainly to conservative sensibilities.

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But acknowledge, too, that right now the Republican Party is a grave threat to American democracy—not the only one, of course, but a grave one—and unless and until Republicans summon the wit and the will to salvage the party, ruin will follow.

 

badlatitude

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The GOP signed it's own death warrant when they legitimized the Tea Party loonies.
^^^^^ THIS

I haven't read a single article that expresses the best way to handle this problem. Sadly, the four years of Trump made it impossible to address.

 

Sol Rosenberg

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The GOP signed it's own death warrant when they legitimized the Tea Party loonies.
True. The nutters were always there, ready to be used when The Party needed a rebranding after George the Dumber and More Affable. Now that they are out in the open, there’s no way to put the genie back in the bottle. The squeaky, delusional, illiterate wheel gets the grease. 

 

3to1

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^ jfc..

the consequences of general right-wing ideological inertia (which can only really go one way, downhill) happened to those stupid fks, they boxed themselves in. they got done by their own dumb asses.  shrug

so fck 'em, yesterday.

 
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Mike G

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The love of the gun is strong enough for some that it clouds rational thought.

Part of it is because of their donors and base pushing for it, but part is also that it fills

a void they have.  Mostly fear-based I think.  Gives them power against a "bad guy" either real or imagined.

Mostly imagined.


 

badlatitude

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The love of the gun is strong enough for some that it clouds rational thought.

Part of it is because of their donors and base pushing for it, but part is also that it fills

a void they have.  Mostly fear-based I think.  Gives them power against a "bad guy" either real or imagined.

Mostly imagined.
A live tree doesn't break up like that, Why hit a dead tree? The only reason I can think of, is he would get arrested if he hit Lindsey Graham for making another pass at him.

 

Navig8tor

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It started with Goldwater and (hopefully) peaked with Trump. Somewhere in the middle were Nixon, Reagan and a bunch of other dickheads.
The big right turn was Newt and the tea party, they have travelled along way down the road after the right turn picking up more extreme loonies along the way.

The loonies are now in control of the bus, it is doubtful that the bus can do a U turn without the loonies squabbling over the direction of the turn, as they continue to Consiracy LaLa land, its doubtful that even the reality of the midterms will sway the course.

 

gptyk

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The big right turn was Newt and the tea party, they have travelled along way down the road after the right turn picking up more extreme loonies along the way.
This. Newt is where the real usage of feeding false narratives and demonizing "the enemy" into the media to convince the gullible began. Sure, pols were known for being less than truthful forever, but Newt understood how to use media better than his predecessors.

Fast forward to now, and there is a large percentage of adults that can not discern the difference between an actual fact and some insane bullshit fed to them. This makes them absolute pawns of the oligarchy. 

 

jerseyguy

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The love of the gun is strong enough for some that it clouds rational thought.

Part of it is because of their donors and base pushing for it, but part is also that it fills

a void they have.  Mostly fear-based I think.  Gives them power against a "bad guy" either real or imagined.

Mostly imagined.


Because the tree can’t fight back

 

2slow

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The big right turn was Newt and the tea party, they have travelled along way down the road after the right turn picking up more extreme loonies along the way.

The loonies are now in control of the bus, it is doubtful that the bus can do a U turn without the loonies squabbling over the direction of the turn, as they continue to Consiracy LaLa land, its doubtful that even the reality of the midterms will sway the course.
It was Rush. He came before Newt. Enough piss cannot soak into his grave. 

 

Olsonist

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I agree that Rush + Newt were instrumental. But how is today so different from McCarthy, the John Birch Society and the Minutemen? Is Trump that different from Reagan?

 

Ishmael

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I agree that Rush + Newt were instrumental. But how is today so different from McCarthy, the John Birch Society and the Minutemen? Is Trump that different from Reagan?
Trump has zero empathy, he's a sociopath. Reagan was just a dotard.

Edit: And Trump has decades of brainwashing to help.

 
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