Two guys on the bow with one weighing 250? Very large boat or middle of the pack or worse finishes. Even if the guy changes position he will be the same. He moves to trimming and he will comment on everything the bowman does. Suck it up and get along with him or find a new ride.
wwjd?
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Telling the owners to have the guy shut it is not a good idea. He is 53 and will not change for long, he would blow up sooner or later. The op needs to deal with it or find a new ride.
titanuranus
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DMMoyle
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P .... Time to step up and pretend to be an adult. Tell the guy his nervousness is annoying, and try to do so kindly. If that doesn't work (and I doubt it will) ; either grow up and quit your whining, or go pout on someone else's boat..
RumLine
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I would say that the foredeck crew includes the mast man and the bow person on most boats, on larger boats there may be more people added between the mast and the bow and in that case i would want those people to be light and limber with a tendency towards listening rather than talking.
Boo-Yah
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Dennis Conner was very good at communicating on this and stopping this type of behavior in its tracks. Find someone with Dennis's couple of sentence speech and rules his rules here. Provide the exact vocabulary, Dennis I expect still uses, to the skipper or owners committee in your case with the recommendation that those words are a firm and important rule on the boat before the boat enters any starting sequence.
Anyone have Dennis exact phrasing?
The cliff notes are along the line of:
Do and focus on your own job!
The person in each position is the best we have at that position today period.
If you cannot keep your focus on your own position, you cannot and will not sail on this boat.
Word to the wise. What ever you do not get on a boat with Dennis and start telling others what to do.
Find out what your own job is and then focus and execute that job.
Otherwise you will find yourself FUBAR and cluster fucked.
Anyone have Dennis exact phrasing?
The cliff notes are along the line of:
Do and focus on your own job!
The person in each position is the best we have at that position today period.
If you cannot keep your focus on your own position, you cannot and will not sail on this boat.
Word to the wise. What ever you do not get on a boat with Dennis and start telling others what to do.
Find out what your own job is and then focus and execute that job.
Otherwise you will find yourself FUBAR and cluster fucked.
Canal Bottom
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In my world no one other the person doing fore deck goes past or near the front of the mast without the specific request of the person doing fore deck?
Wondering in front of the mast on your own uninvited accord could justify a sudden swim shortly after the finish.
JaredC
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I would love to figure out who we're talking about... might have to scan the fleet for massive foredeck crew next weekend.
Centurion
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One of the main foredeck rules is absolutely no one goes forward of the shrouds without permission.
Way overweight with two of you up there.
Way overweight with two of you up there.
RumLine
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TimFordi550#87
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Has it not already been established that the boat in question is an S2 9.1? Or am I hallucinating once again?
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Let's flip it around here...
Is the problem really "that guy" or is it "P"?
P added the comment that "everyone who comes aboard notices how annoying he is". So that sounds like non-regular crew. Does P know how the rest of the regular crew feels about the chatter? Or how the skipper feels about it? If no one else has said or done anything about it (like leaving for another ride), maybe they are fine with it.
Maybe the skipper likes to hear the questioning and other comments - could be helping him keep his head out of the boat.
Regardless, it sounds like P is in the minority here, even if the rest are simply tuning out "that guy". And if you're not enjoying the ride anymore, find another. Simple.
Is the problem really "that guy" or is it "P"?
P added the comment that "everyone who comes aboard notices how annoying he is". So that sounds like non-regular crew. Does P know how the rest of the regular crew feels about the chatter? Or how the skipper feels about it? If no one else has said or done anything about it (like leaving for another ride), maybe they are fine with it.
Maybe the skipper likes to hear the questioning and other comments - could be helping him keep his head out of the boat.
Regardless, it sounds like P is in the minority here, even if the rest are simply tuning out "that guy". And if you're not enjoying the ride anymore, find another. Simple.
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RobbieB
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Lots of J24's racing here now. Always a spot or two available there.
Somebody Else
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I firmly believe in not bottling any of the feelings up.
If the person's chattering annoys you, look right at them and say, "Shut the fuck up. No, really, shut ... the fuck ... up."
It might take 14 or 15 times for it to get through their head. If you feel it will help, you can explain that their comments are distracting and not accurate. But in most cases, simpler is better.
This direct approach is self-correcting; if it's your issue and not his, the rest of the crew will let you know.
If the person's chattering annoys you, look right at them and say, "Shut the fuck up. No, really, shut ... the fuck ... up."
It might take 14 or 15 times for it to get through their head. If you feel it will help, you can explain that their comments are distracting and not accurate. But in most cases, simpler is better.
This direct approach is self-correcting; if it's your issue and not his, the rest of the crew will let you know.
mcsailor0303
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I agree with H20. If you are new to racing, keep your mouth shut and ears open. At the end of the day wright down what you found useful and what you didn't and grow.
my .02
Good luck, have fun.
my .02
Good luck, have fun.
Somebody Else
a person of little consequence
Yup!
Missed that whole "racing for about a year" thing.
Message to "P": Shut up, listen, learn.
Even if you KNOW what 53-year-old nose-ballast bowman is doing is wrong, just shut it.
Do your job; do it well; at the end of the day have a beer.
Also, buy a beat-up old used Laser and sail the crap out of it a few years.
You'll thank me later.
Missed that whole "racing for about a year" thing.
Message to "P": Shut up, listen, learn.
Even if you KNOW what 53-year-old nose-ballast bowman is doing is wrong, just shut it.
Do your job; do it well; at the end of the day have a beer.
Also, buy a beat-up old used Laser and sail the crap out of it a few years.
You'll thank me later.
FOADbitches
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Hmmm, he's not the tactician is he? <_< . Who calls trim and tactics on the boat?. Anyone or no one in particular?. Are his comments helpful or just distracting?. Along that same vane is he mostly right or mostly wrong?. Are you winning or losing?. And does it matter, or folks out just to have sail for the afternoon. There can be a healthy dialogue or unhealthy dialogue going on about trim, tactics, the current etc. Those dynamics are different for each boat and crew so I don't think you're going to find one size fits all answer.
Talk with him to get your act tight, no matter how the back of the boat is trying to hurt you. Then work on the positive information. Low and slow can be usefulinfo to the people in the back of the boat, Puffs, waves and current also help. see if you can help him work toward the positive rather than the negative.
