Yachtworld boat porn

Ishmael

Granfalloon
58,674
16,457
Fuctifino
Any info on this boat?

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1987/Maple-Leaf-60-2418750/Canada

200K?

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Ishmael

Granfalloon
58,674
16,457
Fuctifino


 

Over lunch i was browsing and found these on yachtword.com - unbelievable low prices for these boats one of which is a sistership to ours and in better condition:

 



 

http://www.yachtworl...6/United-States

 



 

http://www.yachtworl...6/United-States

 



 

http://www.yachtworl...-2413424/Canada

 
Having chased a J37 to San Diego at great expense and greater annoyance, only to find it was a total piece of shit, I would not buy a boat out of SD at that price, it will be a piece of shit too.

 

Innocent Bystander

Super Anarchist
11,749
761
Lower Southern MD


 

Over lunch i was browsing and found these on yachtword.com - unbelievable low prices for these boats one of which is a sistership to ours and in better condition:

 



 

http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1987/Beneteau-50---German-Frers-1793766/United-States

 



 

http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1987/Soverel-Raceboat-2415616/United-States

 



 

http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1984/Kiwi-Yachts-Custom-Soverel-55-2413424/Canada

 
Tired race boats no longer competitive with all the expenses associated with a 50 footer. Nothing that appeals to a "cruiser" from an accomodation or handling basis.

Can't imagine why they aren't selling in this market.

 
My god folks here at CA have good tastes in cruising boats. The S&S, Bob Perry's Custom pilot house cruiser, the Morris and more all of them well founded cruisers, beautiful boats. Magic is a beautiful boat, the owner who built her was a perfectionist to the 10th degree, I always felt uncomfortable siting below in my old t shirts even when they were clean. Now that we are having a boat built that looks more like the civil war Moniter than a cruising boat I must admit I will miss the beauty of our last two boats the Mason 44 or the elegance of the Rhodes Chesapeake.

Please keep the porn coming!

 

wkd928

Member
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0
UK
Innocent, perhaps there are people who have different ideas about 'cruising' - for certain people have different budgets to go sailing. The prices asked for these boats are a long way below what they were even six months ago, no doubt thats indicative of the global economy, and for some who might be looking i think they could represent value - again depending on what it is one is looking for. Not everyone chooses to go to sea in an Oyster or a Swan, some of us are unashemedly dumpster divers :)

 

Innocent Bystander

Super Anarchist
11,749
761
Lower Southern MD
Innocent, perhaps there are people who have different ideas about 'cruising' - for certain people have different budgets to go sailing. The prices asked for these boats are a long way below what they were even six months ago, no doubt thats indicative of the global economy, and for some who might be looking i think they could represent value - again depending on what it is one is looking for. Not everyone chooses to go to sea in an Oyster or a Swan, some of us are unashemedly dumpster divers :)

I don't disagree that there are different approaches to cruising and budget boats can serve their owners well. I rafted in Port Townsend once with a young couple (early 20's) living aboard a 40 foot stripped out race boat. It worked for them at that point in their lives and allowed them to have a boat and cruise the NW when many of their friends were struggling to make car payments.

My point is that mid 80's stripped out 50'+ racing boats aren't the classic definition of cruising boats and these boats are tired, with tired sails and systems. None appear to have usable sails, systems are old and generally trashed. Cockpits and rigs are "old school" racer and not set up for shorthanded sailing. Interiors are "ancient pipe berth". The purchase price really doesn't matter as refit, maintanance and mooring costs are the real costs of ownership for them.

For a "dumpster diver", I think better value would be in a more moderate 35-40 footer where refit and maintenance costs would be significantly less.

 

wkd928

Member
453
0
UK
Guys, when you factor in the money you will recoup from the guano once its broken up you will have enough for a real cruiser.

 

Maxx Baqustae

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5,158
292
Canadian Southwest

Hmm......don't quote me but there were only couple of those built. I "think" the original owner refused delivery new with some big issues. Maybe they got it fixed eventually, I don't know the whole story, but it was a story. Another one was built up and spending stupid money - like a million bucks or so but it was 1987. The second or third owner bought it and did Mexico twice. It sold two years ago and it was asking about 650K and the deal cratered twice.

There's usually a reason for something going cheap. Maybe not but you "always", and a I mean always, have a reputable surveyor take a look at it.

 

Bob Perry

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31,960
1,412
If the blue hull is a Cooper built boat some of those had delamination issues. I was called in for help on one of them. There was more hull delaminated than there was laminated.

One of the Cooper 65's was delaminating prior to launch. I was asked to help on that one too but it looked like a nightmare so I gave the job to Gary Mull. I do think those Huntingford designs are pretty good though. They are very well suited for use in the PNW. That blue one is a nice looking boat. I had an ex-boat partner who bought a Cooper boat. He loved it.

Paps:

I do not have a layout for the CL 44 that I can email. Old hand drawings are a pain sometimes.

 
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Maxx Baqustae

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Canadian Southwest
Thanks very much Bob. I don't want to be accused as a hater or rumour mongering but I get asked. I knew a bit about the saga on those boats when they were being delivered. I worked near Granville Is. in the '80's so it's hard to have any secrets when something like that happens.

 

valcour

Member
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91
BUMP - 'cause its always nice to see what people find interesting. And it's boat dreaming season in New England...

 

creedence623

New member
17
0
Tampa Bay
Just closed on a Beneteau 393, but this was on my short list. Just a shame it was out of state I would have loved to have checked it out. It's been on the market for a while and the price is starting to drop so it might look better on Yachtworld than it does in person, but I think it definitely qualifies as boat porn.

http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?sponsored=true&units=Feet&checked_boats=2409548&slim=broker&&hosturl=edwardsyachtsales&ywo=edwardsyachtsales

 

WunHungLo

Super Anarchist
5,897
10
PNW
Just closed on a Beneteau 393, but this was on my short list. Just a shame it was out of state I would have loved to have checked it out. It's been on the market for a while and the price is starting to drop so it might look better on Yachtworld than it does in person, but I think it definitely qualifies as boat porn.

http://www.yachtworl...wardsyachtsales
QUICK !! Do you still have a chance to trade it back in? They might be comfy in a marina, but the hardware is under spec'd, the boat torques in a seaway to the extent the quarter berths can separate from the hull along with the rudder stock, the the mirror in the forward head will shatter at some time beating to windward, and the foredeck babystay mount will craze the gel coat and the toe rail will buckle eventually when beating to windward due to hull flex,..... oh and i would check the toggle on the forestay.. it might just fail in 15 knots with fatigue cracks.... oh and the standard boom might bend at the vang attachment... and I forgot... the masthead sheaves may need to be examined; the axle on the sheaves may not be mounted straight in the aluminum masthead fitting... oh and the Lewmar traveler is undersized for mid-boom sheeting and the sheaves in the control lines will seize and deform.... hmmmm I am sure there at least 10 other things...

 
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creedence623

New member
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Tampa Bay
Just closed on a Beneteau 393, but this was on my short list. Just a shame it was out of state I would have loved to have checked it out. It's been on the market for a while and the price is starting to drop so it might look better on Yachtworld than it does in person, but I think it definitely qualifies as boat porn.

http://www.yachtworl...wardsyachtsales
QUICK !! Do you still have a chance to trade it back in? They might be comfy in a marina, but the hardware is under spec'd, the boat torques in a seaway to the extent the quarter berths can separate from the hull along with the rudder stock, the the mirror in the forward head will shatter at some time beating to windward, and the foredeck babystay mount will craze the gel coat and the toe rail will buckle eventually when beating to windward due to hull flex,..... oh and i would check the toggle on the forestay.. it might just fail in 15 knots with fatigue cracks.... oh and the standard boom might bend at the vang attachment... and I forgot... the masthead sheaves may need to be examined; the axle on the sheaves may not be mounted straight in the aluminum masthead fitting... oh and the Lewmar traveler is undersized for mid-boom sheeting and the sheaves in the control lines will seize and deform.... hmmmm I am sure there at least 10 other things...



You seem to be on the fence about the 393. :lol:

I'm a day/ weekend sailor with few real aspirations of world cruising. The occassional run to the keys or the Bahamas is about as aggressive as my sailing gets. Surveyed very well, and like you said, comfortable down below which is going to keep the old lady happy. Just looking for a fun boat to sail and cruise the Florida coast with, and I think this thing fits the bill nicely! It was a trade up from my 1987 Catalina 36 and in virtually all structural aspects was a significant upgrade. Was your experience with a charter boat? I have the 2 cabin layout and it seemed pretty robust (again compared to the C 36). Understandably, it's not going to be as stout as a Tayana 37, but the flip side to that coin is, it is going to be a lot more fun to sail in the typically light winds of FLorida's west coast.

 
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slap

Super Anarchist
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1,873
Somewhat near Naptown
Just closed on a Beneteau 393, but this was on my short list. Just a shame it was out of state I would have loved to have checked it out. It's been on the market for a while and the price is starting to drop so it might look better on Yachtworld than it does in person, but I think it definitely qualifies as boat porn.

http://www.yachtworl...wardsyachtsales
QUICK !! Do you still have a chance to trade it back in? They might be comfy in a marina, but the hardware is under spec'd, the boat torques in a seaway to the extent the quarter berths can separate from the hull along with the rudder stock, the the mirror in the forward head will shatter at some time beating to windward, and the foredeck babystay mount will craze the gel coat and the toe rail will buckle eventually when beating to windward due to hull flex,..... oh and i would check the toggle on the forestay.. it might just fail in 15 knots with fatigue cracks.... oh and the standard boom might bend at the vang attachment... and I forgot... the masthead sheaves may need to be examined; the axle on the sheaves may not be mounted straight in the aluminum masthead fitting... oh and the Lewmar traveler is undersized for mid-boom sheeting and the sheaves in the control lines will seize and deform.... hmmmm I am sure there at least 10 other things...



You seem to be on the fence about the 393. :lol:

I'm a day/ weekend sailor with few real aspirations of world cruising. The occassional run to the keys or the Bahamas is about as aggressive as my sailing gets. Surveyed very well, and like you said, comfortable down below which is going to keep the old lady happy. Just looking for a fun boat to sail and cruise the Florida coast with, and I think this thing fits the bill nicely! It was a trade up from my 1987 Catalina 36 and in virtually all structural aspects was a significant upgrade. Was your experience with a charter boat? I have the 2 cabin layout and it seemed pretty robust (again compared to the C 36). Understandably, it's not going to be as stout as a Tayana 37, but the flip side to that coin is, it is going to be a lot more fun to sail in the typically light winds of FLorida's west coast.
This thread has WHL's comments about a Bene 393:

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=68710

 

creedence623

New member
17
0
Tampa Bay
Just closed on a Beneteau 393, but this was on my short list. Just a shame it was out of state I would have loved to have checked it out. It's been on the market for a while and the price is starting to drop so it might look better on Yachtworld than it does in person, but I think it definitely qualifies as boat porn.

http://www.yachtworl...wardsyachtsales
QUICK !! Do you still have a chance to trade it back in? They might be comfy in a marina, but the hardware is under spec'd, the boat torques in a seaway to the extent the quarter berths can separate from the hull along with the rudder stock, the the mirror in the forward head will shatter at some time beating to windward, and the foredeck babystay mount will craze the gel coat and the toe rail will buckle eventually when beating to windward due to hull flex,..... oh and i would check the toggle on the forestay.. it might just fail in 15 knots with fatigue cracks.... oh and the standard boom might bend at the vang attachment... and I forgot... the masthead sheaves may need to be examined; the axle on the sheaves may not be mounted straight in the aluminum masthead fitting... oh and the Lewmar traveler is undersized for mid-boom sheeting and the sheaves in the control lines will seize and deform.... hmmmm I am sure there at least 10 other things...



You seem to be on the fence about the 393. :lol:

I'm a day/ weekend sailor with few real aspirations of world cruising. The occassional run to the keys or the Bahamas is about as aggressive as my sailing gets. Surveyed very well, and like you said, comfortable down below which is going to keep the old lady happy. Just looking for a fun boat to sail and cruise the Florida coast with, and I think this thing fits the bill nicely! It was a trade up from my 1987 Catalina 36 and in virtually all structural aspects was a significant upgrade. Was your experience with a charter boat? I have the 2 cabin layout and it seemed pretty robust (again compared to the C 36). Understandably, it's not going to be as stout as a Tayana 37, but the flip side to that coin is, it is going to be a lot more fun to sail in the typically light winds of FLorida's west coast.
This thread has WHL's comments about a Bene 393:

http://forums.sailin...showtopic=68710
That's a great read, and that sucks it worked out that way. I think altering a rig on any boat is going to come with some consequences. Not saying that justifies the fallout they received on that trip, but I'm sure it played a factor. I also think 3 days of steady 30-40 knot conditions played a factor! As mentioned I avoid going out in 30-40 knot conditions, but that's just my style of sailing. I'm more a "one hand for the boat, one for the cocktail' kind of guy (along with the occassional beer can race). Interstingly, my boat is a decade old and has no evidence of any of the issues outlined above, but I am grateful for the input as it gives me some key areas to keep an eye on as I sail this boat. I just can't imagine production boats being consistently terrible with so many on the water. That said, I'm always happy to hear about potential issues I should keep an eye out for!

 
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WunHungLo

Super Anarchist
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10
PNW
LOL Slap..I'm amazed you dug that up oldie but it's all true. The thing that got me was that Beneteau "certified" it for the use we made of it... the problem was, it wasn't equipped in the USA to meet that certification or the designed hardware loads for the sail plan, and evidently the relatively new hull wasn't built to meet a spec to go offshore as it was certified to be capable of.

Anyway we lived to tell the tale. I guess that's something !! :lol:

Edit: Creedence, the fractured forestay tang and bent boom section, and failed masthead halyard sheaves, and failed Lewmar mainsheet track controls, and the undersized traveler for mid boom sheeting, and failed Profurl and this and that and the other... all happened to the original in-mast furling sail plan when the boat was about 2yrs old. The new mainsail was built to the designer's sailplan for a non in-mast furling mainsail.

I hope you have found a hens tooth :D

 
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paps49

Super Anarchist
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318
Adelaide Australia
Just closed on a Beneteau 393, but this was on my short list. Just a shame it was out of state I would have loved to have checked it out. It's been on the market for a while and the price is starting to drop so it might look better on Yachtworld than it does in person, but I think it definitely qualifies as boat porn.

http://www.yachtworl...wardsyachtsales
That Tayana looks bloody nice from here!

 


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