fastyacht
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The key word there is "designer" which in this Human Resources ling is not engineering.
Yeah I work in sails... I'm a sailsman
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ExOmo
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ERP not CFD
PurpleOnion
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What I saw in the description above is that you're the bridge between sales and senior designers. There is always money in translating between disparate groups with different languages and objectives. Learn this skill and you will find it is valuable throughout your career.
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PurpleOnion
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That would be the low end. The more optimistic interpretation would be providing guidance to both sides while coordinating a solution that helps both sides. A customer with a better sail and who is better informed. A design group that has better insight into what customers are asking for vs. what they think is best.random. said:
Of course, I'm not an optimist, so I tend to agree with your assessment. If it were me, I would give it a try. If it skews towards clerk, take the money for as long as it takes to find something more to your liking. If you want to be in the sailing Industry, it's a lot easier to get a job when you have a job in the industry.
Push hard and make your career what you want it to be. Sometimes that means sucking it up for a while as you plot and prepare for your next move.
Look at Picasso's early work. It's great, but it was "classic". He didn't innovate until he proved he had mastered the current form.
PurpleOnion
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Can't argue with that.random. said:
Kevlar Edge
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Hahahahaha 46k. Wow! They paid me 45k to run a service loft in 2002. Which includes benefits and 401k contributions. What’s that TikTok song…oh nooo oh no no no no no.
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fastyacht
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To put it all into perspective, I made that much in the late 90s as an engineer...and believe it or not, there has actually been significant inflation since then.
When I look at todays numbers, nothing makes sense. It reminds me of 1986.
slug zitski
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Yah , they don’t need folks like you
find a different job
some kinda social justice position in the grievance industry
$46k is not North's provided salary was my point, it was an automatically generated figure by Indeed based on a title of associate designer (which as many pointed out is a very broad title with many meanings). If North realistically expects to hire someone with the listed qualifications, that estimate is nonsensical, but I imagine Indeed doesn't have a lot of sail designer salary figures to provide something more realistic.
Somebody Else
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This.
In computer tech we used to say that person could "Speak with Indians." Being the bridge between the engineers and the customer or the marketing people and the engineers.
In the 1800s when settlers were moving to the Western USA across the Great Plains and the Rocky Mountains, there was always one guy on every wagon train who could speak with Indians. Having someone who was good at it was the difference between keeping your scalp or losing it. As an aside, these are also the folks who write User Manuals.
randii
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...well, the folks who write User Manuals *well*.
There's a steady stream of crap documentation written by poorly trained writers... some of whom write in a language that is not native, or worse yet, just machine-translate it through translation SW.
Sounds like an interesting job at a questionable pay. Schedule an interview, share your qualifications, and ask for your preferred rate -- what do you have to lose?
Meat Wad
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Based on a 40hr work week that is $22 bucks/hr low end and $28 high end. Burger flippers in most places now make $15.
When I fell and blew out my back in 1998, I was making just under $19 with no degree but lots of night school and an Associate degree.
My son with a BS in Bio Chem is making just above the high end at Boeing with tons of bene.
The wage is, IMHO, designed to get a young graduate who also sails in the slot. OH BOY, I'll probably get to sail on some cool boats too. Depending on where the loft is. I don't where North is making their molded sails. They must have a few places but you may be in some Corporate office in a city where housing is unaffordable.
It would be worth it to interview anyway
When I fell and blew out my back in 1998, I was making just under $19 with no degree but lots of night school and an Associate degree.
My son with a BS in Bio Chem is making just above the high end at Boeing with tons of bene.
The wage is, IMHO, designed to get a young graduate who also sails in the slot. OH BOY, I'll probably get to sail on some cool boats too. Depending on where the loft is. I don't where North is making their molded sails. They must have a few places but you may be in some Corporate office in a city where housing is unaffordable.
It would be worth it to interview anyway
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That job advert sounds a lot like what we would call a Systems Engineer. The sales guys sell, the product engineers build product, the SE is in-between them, helping the customer understand the real product, and helping the product teams meet customer requirements. A fresh new BS Comp Sci who likes this work, engaging with customers, would likely land an Inside SE position (on the phone) - working up to a field SE, eventually management if that's their thing.
I would guestimate that full earnings, salary and benes is something like $100k for a decent school/decent grades. Working for a tech firm selling software.
It's a great career and senior guys can pull in $300k in a great year (with commissions), probably more like $225k. Sometimes more but they're outliers.
I would guestimate that full earnings, salary and benes is something like $100k for a decent school/decent grades. Working for a tech firm selling software.
It's a great career and senior guys can pull in $300k in a great year (with commissions), probably more like $225k. Sometimes more but they're outliers.
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Y'all are fixating on the salary, but overlooking the key piece of information: Not provided by employer"
All that means is some algorithm at Indeed or LinkedIn jobs is pulling key terms from the job title and JD and assigning a number.
@Houseboy Go ahead and apply for the job, talk to the hiring manager & find out what the salary range is. And of course report back.
Salary transparency is one of the biggest things holding back labor, and feeding gender and racial wage gaps.
