Young and Full of Promise

[Will1073]

Ian, she looks fantastic! Please keep us posted on the deck paint, as those little 2k cans are attractive for many reasons.

The deck hardware looks really well thought out. Specifically, can I (or we) get some more detail on that bracket for the Harken 150 to STB of the companionway. 
 

Looking forward to seeing the interior/electrical.

 

[WCB]

Ian, she looks fantastic! Please keep us posted on the deck paint, as those little 2k cans are attractive for many reasons.

The deck hardware looks really well thought out. Specifically, can I (or we) get some more detail on that bracket for the Harken 150 to STB of the companionway. 
 

Looking forward to seeing the interior/electrical.

If you're talking about the L bracket for the Harken cleats to run the traveler, they're popular on Melges 24s and J70s. https://store.sail22.com/melges-24/accessories/melges-24-traveler-bracket-with-block/ 

 

[IanA.]

If you're talking about the L bracket for the Harken cleats to run the traveler, they're popular on Melges 24s and J70s. https://store.sail22.com/melges-24/accessories/melges-24-traveler-bracket-with-block/ 

Ah shit you can buy these things already made? Those we so miserable to make in carbon that I didn't even document it. I had to use some IM an HM scraps to try stiffen the bracket as the first version was to flexi.

These sail22 ones look like some chopped right angle alloy with hand detailing. Pretty impressive to only be 100$ if its including the 2 cleats, thru-deck sheave, plus the bracket, anodizing, assembly, etc.. What are their overheads? 

 

[IanA.]

Ian, she looks fantastic! Please keep us posted on the deck paint, as those little 2k cans are attractive for many reasons.

The deck hardware looks really well thought out. Specifically, can I (or we) get some more detail on that bracket for the Harken 150 to STB of the companionway. 
 

Looking forward to seeing the interior/electrical.

I think you are referring to the pole out cleat and bracket. This is actually a standard M24 mast mounted spinnaker halyard cleat bracket that's been kicking around my toolbox for years. A bit overkill in this application but was happy with one less thing to have to make myself. 



The 2 part spray can paint seems to be holding up super well so far. Especially considering the abuse during all the hardware mounting. It feels much harder then the Awlgrip used on the hull. It feels almost more like a gelcoat then paint. I'm not sure what the benefits are of having a harder vs. soft paint but it seems more durable so far.

The cans said it was a Urethane based paint and not Poly-urethane so I was expecting it to be softer the awlgrip and more like awlcraft. Its totally in the other direction. I test polished and wax a few spots and it really glossed out nicely so maybe in the spring time I will bring the buffing wheel down and add some more shine.

 

[huey 2]

Just found this

https://www.racing-yachts.com/rocket-31-410.html

Really loving seeing the design your putting into your rebuild...some impressive thinking before doing...then the making  clean tidy and organised...looks like your enjoying the process....thanks for posting about the work , in giving a special boat a new life   

 

[Snowden]

To be honest I didn't look at any rules or regs when deciding this. Partly I wanted to give a bit space on the deck aft of the traveller as the way the stern is not flat and the pushpits are a bit forward of the actual end of the boat. It makes it easier to take a wee off the back without spraying the transom ideally.

As far as the antennas, that was a bit more secondary but offered a place to get the VHF out of the rig and save some weight aloft. I'm not really sure if the gps antennas will be better in that location but I don't think it will be bad to have them up and out of the boat and nearly on CL.

Lastly it gives a decent spot to mount the sternlight as well as hang flag.

Cheers, it looks cool too! I hadn't noticed you had the VHF on there as well. I guess you'll lose a bit of range but as you say the weight saving of the antenna plus probably more importantly the cable is pretty significant.

 

[WCB]

Ah shit you can buy these things already made? Those we so miserable to make in carbon that I didn't even document it. I had to use some IM an HM scraps to try stiffen the bracket as the first version was to flexi.

These sail22 ones look like some chopped right angle alloy with hand detailing. Pretty impressive to only be 100$ if its including the 2 cleats, thru-deck sheave, plus the bracket, anodizing, assembly, etc.. What are their overheads? 

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$100 includes a pair of black anodized right angle and the Harken thru decks. The Harken 150s are not included. Melges offers a fancier version too with a really nice setup at four times the price. 

https://shop.melges.com/product/melges-24/hull-melges-24/melges-24-hutchinson-sport-traveler-jockey-set/ 

I bought a new set of the Sail22 version to put on my J22 to copy the Melges 24 setup.

 

[IanA.]

managed to sneak out of the house for half an hour to put on the runner fine tune control line as well as some bungees for the runner block and spin sheet block to keep them off the deck.


 

 

[IanA.]

Jib sheet up/down control finally measured and spliced to the right length. Also got a cover on the tiller.  Not that we have much UV to speak of recently but looks a bit more tidy.

It’s really nice having the boat close to home finally and to be able to tick away at things more efficiently. Feeling slightly more confident we could actually sail properly next year  


 

 

[Irrational 14]

Looking good. No foot chocks for the helmsperson?

 

[SailAnotherDay]

Looking good. No foot chocks for the helmsperson?

Those would be the titanium tubes he will be installing later. 

 

[IanA.]

Looking good. No foot chocks for the helmsperson?

I made these guys up in some left over thin wall Ti tubing which I just haven't installed yet. Pretty sure they will be necessary though for how wide the cockpit is. This hull shape is more suited to sailing flat then heeled like more modern offshore boats these days but still good to have something keeping you in position.

This is actually an older picture. I've already rigged them up with the adjusting hardware and control line ready to go. I used some left over skateboard grip tape on the horizontal part. It weighs hardly nothing and is super stiff.

Jury is still out on the tiller extension universals in this application as they seem quite stiff and it wants to stand the foots rest up vertically. Maybe that will turn out to be a benefit.... or not. 

 

[IanA.]

$100 includes a pair of black anodized right angle and the Harken thru decks. The Harken 150s are not included. Melges offers a fancier version too with a really nice setup at four times the price. 

https://shop.melges.com/product/melges-24/hull-melges-24/melges-24-hutchinson-sport-traveler-jockey-set/ 

I bought a new set of the Sail22 version to put on my J22 to copy the Melges 24 setup.

Okay that makes a lot more sense. And of course anything from Hutch isn't going to be low cost. But its nice stuff. 

For all the hassle maing these things, it is worth being able to cleat the new weather side of the traveller before the boom crosses CL. 

 

[IanA.]

Cheers, it looks cool too! I hadn't noticed you had the VHF on there as well. I guess you'll lose a bit of range but as you say the weight saving of the antenna plus probably more importantly the cable is pretty significant.

Yeah the height thing on the VHF antenna had me re-considering but the range at that height is still pretty good and I've never really had to call anyone on the VHF that I couldn't see nearby(or foggy but still within the horizon). I think mostly it will be used for racing purposes like dealing with the R/C as well as transmitting our AIS signal.

When we went cruising in the fall on my in-laws boat, we just ended up using the handheld for any comms with VTS or other ships without issue. So I am a bit less concerned now. 

 

[IanA.]

Just found this

https://www.racing-yachts.com/rocket-31-410.html

Really loving seeing the design your putting into your rebuild...some impressive thinking before doing...then the making  clean tidy and organised...looks like your enjoying the process....thanks for posting about the work , in giving a special boat a new life   

Its funny those old pictures are still online there. I haven't looked back yet on the old photos since we got started on all this so its a bit shocking to be reminded of what we bought. 

It's weird to look back at the differences now. She was in a rough way. You sort of lose track of where it all started and its amazing we saw through all those issues at the time. Probably quite foolish of us but the outcome is starting to make up for the pain.

I have to say I am super happy with the color scheme we chose for in the end. The boat is already interesting to look at and doesn't need a loud color to distract from her natural beauty. 

 

[WCB]

Okay that makes a lot more sense. And of course anything from Hutch isn't going to be low cost. But its nice stuff. 

For all the hassle maing these things, it is worth being able to cleat the new weather side of the traveller before the boom crosses CL. 

That's the main fail that I have on the Melges 24 when I tack. I haven't gotten the rhythm down for cleating the leeward/new windward side as we go into the tack. I have spent a little time visualizing the tacks in order to get smoother at this as I'm breaking the snake's back coming out of some tacks as I mess with the traveler.

 

[Jono]

Congrats.

How is the bow knuckle looking above water pre rig and sails?

 

[SailAR]

How much lighter was she at launch?

 

[IanA.]

How much lighter was she at launch?

This is a very touchy subject in our household currently so thanks for bringing it up...

In all seriousness, there was a big fuck up by the shed guys. The weighing was meant to happen the morning of launching while the boat was being moved from the shed to the harbour. There's a CO-OP potato processing plant on the way with super accurate floor scale for the trucks. The farmers are paid by the kg. so its nothing basic.

Anyways after the boat was lifted off the cradle I was asking why the havent left back yet for the scale to get the weight delta of th cradle and tractor.

So yeah they completely forgot and weren't keen to lift the boat out and go back. Also we had a tide window to make so it wasn't going to happen at that point.

I'm super annoyed, I really wanted to know what we're working with. There is a small yard nearby here with a single point crane and slings but they don't have a calibrated scale. I know someone who does have a 12 ton calibrated scale so i'm just trying to figure out how to make that all come together.

Will keep you posted...........

 

[IanA.]

Congrats.

How is the bow knuckle looking above water pre rig and sails?

If you look at the reflection in the icy water you can see the knuckle overhang and the height of the painted water-line above the floating water-line. And that's with my 85kgs. up there in the first photo. 

The bow is a bit higher then the stern currently but that is sort of accounted for since the rig isn't in yet. In theory it should all be parallel in racing trim.