Z30

[shaggybaxter]

I happen to think it is sloopy, lazy construction for a proper cabin interior, and poorly designed and not made for the demographic of most new boat buyers (they are generally over 50). Having sailed solo, very tired and wet and on a hard tack - they are tripping hazards. Being knocked out or breaking ribs due to falling on frames could be game ending.

Glad you never lost your footing.

I get what you’re saying BJ, but:
- I want toeholds below. I’ve seen more accidents from flat floors;
- they stop water moving longitudinally through the boat;
- floorboards are sectioned , ie: much more manageable;
- floor is lower which increases headroom;
- you can have tethers on the vertical faces without acting like trip hazards; and
- you can have stuff like emergency water stay in one spot rather than sliding through the boat.

I’ve lost my footing plenty of times when you’re falling off waves and landing in troughs. Thankfully the transverse stringers were there to pull me up before it could get nasty.
Never once did I see one ‘trip’ me or my crew.
YMMV indeed.

 

[Sidecar]

^^^^ This.

Although I am bemused by the central keel frame, with the other two so close, it is hard to believe it couldn’t have been designed out.

Also interested in the distance between keel and rudder, looks pretty close to me. Would be interested in how she handles in a heavy gusty conditions and big seas.

FWIW, Northwest Passage aside, I would rather cruise a race boat than race a cruise boat…..

 

[ALL@SEA]

I happen to think it is sloopy, lazy construction for a proper cabin interior, and poorly designed and not made for the demographic of most new boat buyers (they are generally over 50). Having sailed solo, very tired and wet and on a hard tack - they are tripping hazards. Being knocked out or breaking ribs due to falling on frames could be game ending.

Glad you never lost your footing.

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OMMV.

No one is forcing you to buy it. You're welcome to persist with your 4ksb.

 

[Ex Machina]

^^^^ This.

Although I am bemused by the central keel frame, with the other two so close, it is hard to believe it couldn’t have been designed out.

Also interested in the distance between keel and rudder, looks pretty close to me. Would be interested in how she handles in a heavy gusty conditions and big seas.

FWIW, Northwest Passage aside, I would rather cruise a race boat than race a cruise boat…..

Having owned 3 boats just a bit smaller than this that all operated in the mid to high teens I can tell you that moving the rudder forward is the holy grail .

It’s why melges 32s , Donovan GP26s , cape 31s etc have drop in rudders forward of the transom instead of hung off the transom like my boats …much more control scooting down following seas at pace

 

[Black Jack]

No one is forcing you to buy it. You're welcome to persist with your 4ksb.

The fact is this segment of market is very tiny and getting smaller; making this Z30 a blip hardly worth wanking off about.

As for one of my cool 30' 6ksb I can actually sit in rather ride on, cruise in decent spartan safety, they are nearly impossible to give away despite being better designed, higher craftsmanship and superior materials. In serious contemplation - I recognized although this great below boat is being readied for 20 years more of service - is this even worth the cash or effort?

Please feel free to actually buy a Z30 and give your honest review in 3 years, 30 years from now.

 

[Ex Machina]

The fact is this segment of market is very tiny and getting smaller; making this Z30 a blip hardly worth wanking off about.

As for one of my cool 30' 6ksb I can actually sit in rather ride on, cruise in decent spartan safety, they are nearly impossible to give away despite being better designed, higher craftsmanship and superior materials. In serious contemplation - I recognized although this great below boat is being readied for 20 years more of service - is this even worth the cash or effort?

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Please feel free to actually buy a Z30 and give your honest review in 3 years, 30 years from now.

It might be a tiny segment in Cali but it’s a major segment in Europe where forward thinking Yachts people seem to reside in vast numbers .

I see a long life ahead any Z30 that gets built . It actually looks like a boat not the head of an insect or a storm troopers helmet . There’s a lot of space down below so it could easily be converted to a fast cruiser .

Heres a pic of my boat , 30 year old design but it’s a 20 year old boat and it will go another 20 years . I would happily get a Z30 or similar for RACING in a heartbeat if I had the folding available . ‘30 is the sweet spot for affordable fully crewed or short handed I think .

 

[Matagi]

It might be a tiny segment in Cali but it’s a major segment in Europe where forward thinking Yachts people seem to reside in vast numbers .

I see a long life ahead any Z30 that gets built . It actually looks like a boat not the head of an insect or a storm troopers helmet . There’s a lot of space down below so it could easily be converted to a fast cruiser .

Heres a pic of my boat , 30 year old design but it’s a 20 year old boat and it will go another 20 years . I would happily get a Z30 or similar for RACING in a heartbeat if I had the folding available . ‘30 is the sweet spot for affordable fully crewed or short handed I think .

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Looks a bit like a Thompson design? Man, I loved his designs, a bit sad that he seemed to have stopped at some point.

 

[Irrational 14]

Anyone who isn't at least planing downwind in a keelboat is missing out on a whole lot of fun.
I probably would of stopped sailing a long time ago if I was stuck in my wake.
Not saying its for everyone, but it's hard to promote a boat that doesn't leap out of the water these days. It doesn't have to foil, it just has to get out of its own way.

 

[Ex Machina]

Looks a bit like a Thompson design? Man, I loved his designs, a bit sad that he seemed to have stopped at some point.

No it’s an Elliott . He has a habit of designing long lived unicorns

 

[Ex Machina]

This is the Thompson equivalent, T8c

 

[shaggybaxter]

As for one of my cool 30' 6ksb I can actually sit in rather ride on

Right. So all these post 2000's new fan dangled 30' are ride ons are they??

they are nearly impossible to give away despite being better designed, higher craftsmanship and superior materials.

Sorry, but that sounds like pure wild arsed assumptions. In your last 10-20 years have you bothered to set foot in the factory of any of these alleged piss poor manufacturers?

Wipe your chin BJ, it's unbecoming.

 

[Black Jack]

Right. So all these post 2000's new fan dangled 30' are ride ons are they??

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Sorry, but that sounds like pure wild arsed assumptions. In your last 10-20 years have you bothered to set foot in the factory of any of these alleged piss poor manufacturers?
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Wipe your chin BJ, it's unbecoming.

^ Typical social media porn postings. I scoff at most wankers who talk a lot of bull about modern sleds but do not buy in themselves. You are more than welcome to post your POS as i have rather than cut and paste somebody elses - if that one above is yours i apologize, congratulate you and look forward to hearing about your top finishes and international seamanship glory.

Of course I have been on a few modern race boats. I am quite luckly where i live and have many friends with lots of different boats which we sail all year around. I spent several weeks last summer going to many of the boats builders in Europe and making some boat shows on the touring motorbike. Will do it again come end of summer. It was quite enlightening to see them being built and doing some day sailing there on them. No doubt i am an outlier with racing classic wooden and early cold molded yachts solo and short handed racing in mixed fleets. I really appreciate the new but see the wisdom in tried and true stuff boat and why they work. Consider my view before you step off some more - my 10k yachts delivers 97 percent of what i would get with a race boat 30 to 50x more expensive and twice as uncomfortable. It would take something special for me to jump to a modern magic boat like you.

I recognize I will not likely win and even if I got a fancy, most modern up to date race boat I still would not win Fastnet or Sydney Hobart because i got a lot more going for me including a business to run, career to do and made a priority to hang with a beautiful wife I really like. If i did by any off chance take a podium in an international race - big whoops as it doesn't do thing for me except clean out my pockets. Sadly my wife does not really care when I have brought home the pickle dish in the past and it has proven it doesn't get me laid more when i take a top finish. More likely i get laid less because i work too much to pay for this crap, sail too much in local fun regattas and think about racing short handed more than is healthy.

 

[shaggybaxter]

Who said anything about winning? I didn’t.
The point is your previous posts are saying all new 30’s are inferior and of lesser quality to your preference of older gen boats.

That’s utter shite, as are all dickhead same brush generalisations. And you know it.

 

[Black Jack]

Who said anything about winning? I didn’.
The point is your previous posts are saying all new 30’s are inferior and of lesser quality to your preference of older gen boats.

That’s utter shite, as is all dickhead generalisations. And you know it.

You are the one that said that. I just called this Z30 chit as a racer cruiser. I find the flooring atrocious without the forethought of the boat demographics of who will buy it and use it as it was designed and built. Sure a young buck will not be bothered by it but sales data in general tells me that simply is not the buyers. Your calls of dickheadness suggests you got nothing to add to this more than that. PokIng me on my preferences without revealing your own boat makes this read like a personal attack than interest on the subject or where you want to go in a logical step from where you are in your own boat ownership expereince.

 

[ALL@SEA]

My last two boats. Both beautifully built and balanced. Either would happily sit above 10 knots short handed or solo. Day sailed both solo with spinnaker, the only thing they both lacked as a concession to cruising was an anchor roller - cruising is about mindset. I can't call myself young anymore. I'm between boats at the moment as life with a toddler restricts leisure time, but am keeping an eye out for another planing trailerable - probably an Elliott. I could never go back to a boat that digs a hole, unless it were a liveaboard that I never intended to race.

 

[Ex Machina]

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My last two boats. Both beautifully built and balanced. Either would happily sit above 10 knots short handed or solo. Day sailed both solo with spinnaker, the only thing they both lacked as a concession to cruising was an anchor roller - cruising is about mindset. I can't call myself young anymore. I'm between boats at the moment as life with a toddler restricts leisure time, but am keeping an eye out for another planing trailerable - probably an Elliott. I could never go back to a boat that digs a hole, unless it were a liveaboard that I never intended to race.

We keep getting our asses handed to us by a very well sailed E7 with a staggering sail wardrobe . It’s our bench mark boat to beat in coastal races , slippery little bastard who’s crew are in a league of their own .

 

[shaggybaxter]

You are the one that said that

Sigh...

my cool 30' 6ksb...are nearly impossible to give away despite being better designed, higher craftsmanship and superior materials.

I happen to think it is sloopy, lazy construction for a proper cabin interior, and poorly designed

And in answer to your question.. even though I'm buggered if I know how it's relevant.

without revealing your own boat

We all good now?

 

[The Dark Knight]

LOL this has been an entertaining thread.

The yachting world would be a pretty sad place if BJ controlled what designed got produced. I'd certainly prefer a Z30 over some old shitbox.

 

[huey 2]

Thompson from the Classifieds

Waka – Thompson 850​

SamMay 20, 2023




1/10

by Sam
Published: May 20, 2023 (2 weeks ago)
$95,000
Category
Boats / 30ft or less
Location
Auckland NZ
Waka – Thompson 850 modified
Extremely fun, fast and very rewarding boat to sail.
Professionally maintained with an extensive refit in 2019 with extensive list of mods including new Greg Elliott designed keel and water ballast system, mast stiffening & Antal mainsail track by Hall Spars, full exterior repaint, new Harken Performa winches etc…
Mini refit late 2022 inc. new carbon boom, carbon tiller, backstay deflectors, new optima batteries + solar charging system, professionally sprayed bottom job etc…
Almost nothing hasn’t been improved & upgraded duringthe past few years.
Currently has Cat 2 for longer coastal racing, optimised for two-handed sailing but equally competitive fully crewed.
Fixed Keel (2.45m draft), water ballasted with 2x 300l tanks, carbon mast and boom, rod rigging, extensive North Sail inventory inc. new 3Di Mainsail 2023, 3Di reefable J2 2022, North FR0 with KZ Furler late 2020, B&G electronics with AIS and Sat phone for the longer stuff. All safety gear for Cat 2 in service.
Comes with tandem axle trailer for road transport/storage

 

[huey 2]

Jimmy Hellberg has some pretty amazing racers that he developed like Pacman with its B&R rig
Then the z31 and then z30
Hes never been into shitboxs....